Wednesday, October 28th, 2009
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Hint towards next GTA setting in EFLC manual?

GTAGaming.com - General News | @ 12:54 PM CST | By Slim Trashman
Turns out some fans have already been receiving their pre-ordered copies of Episodes From Liberty City, and have taken notice of something very interesting on page 13 of the game's manual. Check it out:


Could the image within the tear in the page be revealing something about the setting for the next GTA? What do you think?

Thanks GTA4.net.
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Neil


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It has to be Jamaica. Look at the green and yellow!
10-28-2009 01:11 PM
Slim Trashman
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But what IS it? It's not like any of the other GTAs have featured red, white, and blue colors to represent location within the USA =p
10-28-2009 01:19 PM
behzad_sol
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hhmm c'mon, maybe africa ?
10-28-2009 01:41 PM
Mikeya963
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Wasn't it a rumor that it was going to take place in Australia and be called like Harbor City or something? Also it says " opens March" so maybe that's a hint towards the release date.
10-28-2009 01:45 PM
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I originally considered that "Opens March" thing as well, but I'm pretty sure its just going with the fake marketing on the page, and is not to be confused with this alleged hint.
10-28-2009 01:48 PM
DiscoBombs
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To be honest the image looks a bit like part of a mountainside, with rolling hills at its foot dotted with a few pine trees. Mt. Chilliad perhaps?
10-28-2009 02:04 PM
devil chevelle
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i cant even tell what that is. is it some type of mountain with huge spikey rocks or what? and how is that everytime a game comes out someone gets it early, it cant be gamestop they would never do that probably some small buisness company who gets the games and sells them right away. to bad we have like no small buisnesses around here
10-28-2009 02:12 PM
Neil


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Devil, it is pretty common for online retailers to send out copies of games ahead of their release so that players can get them on release day. Some of them misjudge this or send them earlier than others, so that is why people will have the game today.
10-28-2009 02:13 PM
devil chevelle
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i know im just way excited and jealous. but this whole time i really cant tell what that picture is?
10-28-2009 02:23 PM
Slim Trashman
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Here's my proof that it's Vice City: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/508/vcproof.jpg
10-28-2009 02:26 PM
devil chevelle
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lol nice one.
10-28-2009 02:30 PM
iliathebest
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i thinks it San Andreas, it very unlikely its gonna be outside the us. Plus they redid Liberty, now why not San andreas? San Andreas is the only one to have those green rolling hills and forests.
10-28-2009 02:55 PM
devil chevelle
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i looked at it and all i can think it is is a hill and that looks like something that would be in california but they already had a really detailed california and they already had a highly detailed miami so i dont think they would bring it back to california the only other thing is it might not be part of a set of hills but maybe just a huge hill thats close to a city or something.
10-28-2009 03:00 PM
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It's San Andreas Stories!
10-28-2009 03:10 PM
markuz008
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that kind of trees were only in LC and SA (Country & San Fierro), Vice City was based on Miami or something, which had palms. but LC didnt have light grass or hills as in San Andreas, why would they skip Vice City? VC has gorgerous and awesome setting. thats a hard "hint"!

Zidane: why Stories? :P makes me feel that its gonna release only on consoles (or psp?) and not PC, and will use old engine, lol

[ post edited 10-28-2009 03:17 PM by markuz008 ]
10-28-2009 03:14 PM
dman1981
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it looks like the NW part of France to me, Paris perhaps??
10-28-2009 03:34 PM
alisdairmac
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Hopefully, it wont be San Andreas Stories. It has to be another big title like GTA IV on major platforms like PS3, XB360 and PC. I hope it set somewhere like Chicago, or Los Angeles. I know, Los Angeles was Los Santos, but seeing Los Angeles in incredible graphics, realistic physics and LA landmarks (eg. Hollywood Boulevard). That would be sw3333t.
10-28-2009 04:33 PM
LoneStarGamer
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OMG! I freaking love Rockstar man!

It looks like San Andreas a little bit though! ~_^
10-28-2009 04:33 PM
chrisandy
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I don't think it means anything. It's been 1 1/2 years since GTA IV came out and usually the cycle for previous gen was every 1-2 years but that's with DLC this time. Hopefully we get an announcement sometime early 2010... but I'm not expecting a whole new GTA until at the earliest Winter 2010.
10-28-2009 04:46 PM
Ænemy
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Looks like a big load of speculation. Mwahaha!

But seriously, we ain't seeing a new GTA any time soon.
10-28-2009 04:55 PM
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Maybe the "Opens March" part will be when the first trailer shows.
10-28-2009 05:57 PM
rinuextreme
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Hey, guys. I know this seems ridiculous and I know why, but still, let me dream.

How about a GTA WorldWide? Like Driver 2. We had several cities at Driver 2. How awesome would it be to have Miami, Moscow, a greek village, a chinese village, Paris and who knows a random city in Spain, where we could cycle from city to city, and each city had its own and exclusive vehicles, weapons and etc? Like, in Miami we would have some sport cars and sedan american cars. Exclusively from Moscow, we would have access to the military base where we could drive a tank or a Hunter. Or the typical european cars in France or Spain? Or some sidemissios at an unknown village at Greece or a misterious spot at China? Where we had access to the black market and we could get weapons that we could not find for sure at Miami? Or wearing a typical french costume and flying back to Miami to pretend we were a french tourist?
Why not to be able to put our Pegeout/Renault/Seat/Vaz in the intercontinental ship or in a Jumbo and drive it in american roads?

How sweet would it be to have countless and detailed sidemissions with animations of rescue and others, like paramedic, policeman, fireman, taxi driver, limousine driver, bus driver, trashman (tribute to Slim Trashman :p), or pizza boy, escorting someone, delivering charges in continental trucks, selling or renting cars, who knows what else!

And why not to have a lot more weapons like all the previous ones from the other games?

Plus, all those sweet tiny things like hazzard lights, blinkers, fixing a car, smoking, sitting, laying down on the hud of a car, fuel system, more interactions with phone and internet, pulling out an umbrella, using a map, customizing your car, plus more types of vehicles like bikes, skates, submarine, Dodo's, planes, monster trucks, etc!

Guys! Imagine a world like this, occupying 60GB of your memory and all this with tremendous graphics and textures, with plenty of details, etc!
10-28-2009 05:57 PM
Russ
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I think the fact that there is a radio station Vice City style included in TBOGT kind of answers it. I honestly think we are looking at the torn portion incorrectly. You know, it looks one way as a piece but totally different when you see the whole thing.
10-28-2009 05:57 PM
haitianKNIVES
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Goddammit R* don't tease me. You're going to get money. Just tell me.
10-28-2009 06:06 PM
rinuextreme
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Plus, all this with no errors and game crashing! :D

I'd pay 100$ to have a game like that one. I know it's somehow impossible, but, hey, we love Rockstar, at the bottom of the question, and we trust that Rockstar can actually make a game like this one I described.

Oh, and don't forget to add more two Independence FM's so we could organize our music by styles. And add also some nice buyable properties with garages Test Drive Unlimited style!
With plenty of extras for our main character like tatoos, hairstyles, a lot more clothes and hats and glasses and watches and shoes and ties, and and and...

See why I said I was dreaming? It would be the paradise of videogames. Screw Pacman and Tetris, we want Grand Theft Auto! xD
10-28-2009 06:06 PM
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I'm not too interested in what the torn piece is trying to tell us because, let's face it, it's far too difficult to tell from such a small hint. However, this does prove that Rockstar are currently going through the working process of making another GTA, which has me very excited. I wasn't expecting another GTA to be announced until at least early 2011, but it may be announced in March next year.

Or maybe I just have my hopes up.
10-28-2009 06:07 PM
rinuextreme
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Ahahah! Nice one, haitianKNIVES xD
10-28-2009 06:09 PM
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I hope news comes soon.
10-28-2009 07:19 PM
Piggus
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Ahhh snap here comes the hype train again. October 2010 release date please.
10-28-2009 07:55 PM
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Just since no one else has pointed this out:

Theater Seagull is in London. See the bottom right where it says Theater seagull?
10-28-2009 08:56 PM
Russ
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Wasn't there one in Algonquin?
10-28-2009 09:34 PM
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Have to keep in mind that it's fake marketing on the bottom there ;) Seagull Theater was in IV in Algonquin.
10-28-2009 09:49 PM
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It's kind of weird that it's over with LC, when I just got there in December. D:
I feel like I got left out with the no DLC situation.
10-28-2009 10:32 PM
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this may sound far fetched, but it looks to me like theres a shadow of a small devil on the left side of the tear. little devil is a member of the grove street families. maybe it's in san andreas?
10-29-2009 01:07 AM
Petro
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Maybe it's the countryside in San Andreas... If only...
10-29-2009 03:25 AM
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It's France for sure on this image !
There is also the word "Seagull" that is a bird from this part of France
I'm french so I know what I say :D
10-29-2009 04:53 AM
markuz008
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100% sure that it wont be somewhere out of US... 100% sure, because all of GTA series was based outside of US and is staying there, so...
10-29-2009 05:02 AM
srash
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It look like France :

http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=727096gta5.png

Gta - Paris or Gta - Europe :-D
10-29-2009 08:45 AM
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Looking at the small section torn away, we first saw that style of picture and colour in Vice City. From what i can make out, the grays look like a building and the yellow looks a bit like a helicopter with the shadows of the propeller reflecting off the building, i'm probably totally wrong but it's a clever image designed to make us all ponder over what's next.
It can only be a hint towards the next GTA given it's basically saying they're moving on from liberty city.
Glancing at the old Vice City website, it seems to back up my idea.
As for the Opens March everywhere, generally Rockstar put up teaser sites in the month's of March and April.
No doubt there's plenty of hints in TBOGT
10-29-2009 08:49 AM
markuz008
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i start to have a feel that some of previous series had a screen like this one, which from they took "piece of it away" and made it as a hint, lol i seriosly start to believe that, cuz i feel like i seen that piece somewhere before...
10-29-2009 10:28 AM
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It's definitely San Andreas.
10-29-2009 12:02 PM
iliathebest
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Ok somebody aid they wont bring it back to California, hey they brought it back to New York, Plus if its SA stories i would really love that, sure its not a full game but i just cant get enough of SA, iam still replaying it today.
10-29-2009 08:27 PM
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I'd expect more "tears" in the future that will combine to form an answer.
10-29-2009 09:14 PM
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Its one of the usual cities, and I'm guessing its San Andreas, Mt Chilliad is what it looks like as mentioned before, but maybe its a tease, I want Vice city with the Mad graphics update in gay tony it will look so pretty!
10-29-2009 11:13 PM
Rilian
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, as it was the first thing I thought of when I saw it...

I think the "Opens March Everywhere" will mean that the GTA: Liberty City Stories is released on PC & PS3 in March, once it became a retail package, it seemed inevitable that it would end up on there. It would almost be 2 years since the release of GTA IV, so their exclusivity with Microsoft for the DLC may end then.

Not that it worries me, as I have a 360 currently, but as it's talking about the Liberty City part with the "Opens March Everywhere" it makes good sense to me!
10-30-2009 06:38 AM
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Hello,
Here is the proof that the next episode of GTA will take place in Paris.
We all saw this poster, where Rockstar announces us that Liberty City it is finished: http://www.play3-live.com/screens/grand-theft-auto-5/grand-theft-auto-5-rockstar-hinting-at-next-gtapic-1256761306.jpg

But And this poster passes on to the poster of the film " Paris, je t'aime ": http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/ParisJetaimePoster_eng.jpg

And it is not finished the most disturbing, the producer of this film with fact an adaptation conscript " New York, I Love you ": http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/New_York_I_Love_You_Final_Domestic_Key_Art.jpg
We find the heart, the city above the heart etc.

Below on the left, we can voirs the head of Monopoly, creates in Paris.
And sign at the top harmony has the poster of " Paris, je t'aime "

With it if you are convinced.

The france : http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=727096gta5.png

(Sorry, i'm french), goodbye !

[ post edited 10-30-2009 09:26 AM by Lucasboq ]
10-30-2009 09:09 AM
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Not easy to say where the next GTA will take place, but I definitely think the game will be awsome ;D
But I still hope they will put the "Fingerless gloves" on the "Xbox Marketplace" before they quit totaly with GTA IV ;D
10-30-2009 09:52 AM
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I rly don't know what is it..

Maybe it's not a place at all..maybe the pic is only playing with your/my eyes

And I wouldn't like it to be in Paris (no offence) French people running around...Bit disturbing(just kidding)

I'm from Bosnia(former Yugoslavia). The place where Niko is from. I understand every word he says in game.But his accent is bit rough..They probably created him to try to unite our dumb nacionalist asses..in some way.

So anyway I still would like it to be Chicago or city with some hills and it would look awsome with the Rage engine(if that's engine IV is using)

and most of all I would like a forum or a page created by GTA Gaming crew ..where the GTA players will post their ideas for next GTA series..and hopefully Rockstar games will support that forum and take some ideas from it...because i would like to see some broken legs and other stuff..and i know they actually have lots of ideas but its more effective way to satisfy customers..

Anyway...that's only my opinion..and long one XD

Sorry for my English..not my native language..

[ post edited 10-31-2009 05:00 AM by Big_Proof ]
10-30-2009 04:47 PM
Mirokunite
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It could be a plug for Agent, or RDR.

But based on the colors/style, it reminds me of the SA game book/map.
10-30-2009 06:08 PM
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It better be Vice City!
10-31-2009 08:29 AM
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France? If you're going to have GTA in Europe you either do it London (as before) or you set it in Italy (for obvious reasons). Italy has more countryish settings than London so...

Although I have a feeling that perhaps that image is unrelated to the new setting hell check some of the fake ads we've seen in GTA IV it may be part of it.

EDIT: Holy cow I didn't see that last bit with the tear juxtaposed against France. OK France seems like a reasonable possibility now.

[ post edited 10-31-2009 11:02 PM by Father Time ]
10-31-2009 11:00 PM
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Gonna go out on a limb here, we all can suggest what it is, but we're all probably going to be dead wrong.

The Colors of the tear are VERY Reminicent to that of San Andrea's manual, almost every radio station boasts Green and Yellow as their colors. The image inside of the tear also looks to be what I think as Mount Chilliad.

The tear theory matching up with the map of France, well it just doesn't add up, the top part of the tear aligns, but it angles out and cuts a 'piece of france' right out at the bottom of the tear, it just doesn't jive.

To top things off, this may not be even toward GTA 5 or GTA IV side spins like we want to believe.

Grand theft auto is still missing a very large chunk to their market. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Stories.

I mean honestly, If rockstar are going to fold out Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories and just sit on their fingers for San Andreas Stories, then what the hell company is that?!?!

I don't think we're Due for another console release of a heavy GTA until 2011. And I also think Rockstar truly realized the mistake they made porting that pile of crap called Chinatown wars to PSP... what is that a filler to appoint all the dissapointed fans that you DIDN'T release San Andreas Stories? and it's not like they have UMD limitation anymore. You can always make a Digital Only Download Rockstar!!!


COMON ALREADY!
11-01-2009 01:01 PM
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Green and Gold, AU Colours! hah, buggered if i know. Reminds me of Vice City personally. Probably the logical step if they follow the trend. Liberty City, Vice City, San Andreas. If they round out all of them in GT IV 4/5/6 then they can move on to somewhere completely new. The ad seems its basically stating "thats it, no more Liberty" next will be "No more Vice City" then "No More San Andreas".

Just my take, anyway. GTA3, VC, SA/LCS,VCS,Everyone got screwed by no SAS/etcetc. The image could be a damned sandbar in the ocean with a girls pigtail in the way, who knows?
11-03-2009 08:42 AM
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Rockstar Leeds, the people behind Liberty and Vice stories did just take on a few more developers in September so it's probable they may be creating san andreas for the psp but given the size of the map i doubt it, however as someone said previously before, they can do it if the make the game a download only.

I agree with Crowbar, i think it's an ad for GTA IV: Vice City. The colour palette is the same as used in Vice City.
11-03-2009 09:09 AM
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What do you think about this?


http://www.psfocus.nl/2_11476_Grand_Theft_Auto_kan_zich_ook_in_Frankrijk_afspelen.aspx
11-03-2009 10:15 AM
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a red herring
11-04-2009 08:03 AM
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agreed, red herring
11-04-2009 08:36 AM
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Rockstar Games chosen locales are varied but mainly stayed focused on the diverse New York city-esque Liberty city. I firmly believe they create stories based on locales they loved, could potentially be cost effective, and possessed a style that inspires them to create an original story about survival within the criminal underworld. Its important to note that an artist always creates based on inspiration, its the driving force behind their artistic decisions, for example, its no coincidence Rockstar created GTA London 1969 in parody of known criminals of the time like "The Kray Twins" and in parody of everything English. Mind you, both Houser brothers are English and at this time Rockstar has studio locales in England so that would seem to be some of the relationship between Rockstar and its games.

Like I've said they make games based on inspiration, finding beauty and style in each of the cities they have chosen to parody and in some cases becoming quite partial to home. Since Rockstar first started the main theme has been parody, create a city that resembles the real city, give it a different name, and create all the products within it based on parodies of their real life counterparts. So with this clue that they have recently released I was boggled by what it could be. It resembles the vast landscapes of San Andreas with its warm colors and what seeams to be a mountain surrounded by pine trees and water, so it must be Mt. Chiliad but thats not a clue if you instantly know what it is. There are other elements within the ad that seem suspicious, for starters, the gentleman on the bottom left of the ad is distinguished, kind of English in appearance with his Handlebar mustache and similar English attire, interesting. Next clue that caught my eye was Theatre Seagull which is in the game but as I've mentioned most, if not everything, is a parody of its real life counterparts so instantly I researched the The Seagull Theatre.
11-04-2009 10:11 PM
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With some research with Google I ran into an actual theatre with that name located on Morton Rd in Pakefield, Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK. Instantly I thought of GTA London 1969, Rockstar North, Rockstar North development on GTA IV, and its record breaking success in the industry, it made sense.

Within my research I was surprised once again to find the name Excelsior in important information about Lowestoft. I was familliar with the name but didn't really know where in the game I heard it through my countless hours of play. Just some quick information about the Excelsior, its an historic smack ship (fishing vessel) in Britain that was built in 1921 on spec by John Chambers of Lowestoft, she (the ship) was bought by a local consortium to replace their 1885 smack that had been condemned, following a collision with a steamer in fog. Ironically, like the Statue of Liberty it is referred to as a female and is an official icon and symbol of the region through its history as a survivor. In fact she is considered one of the 60 most important historic ships in Britain and has started the Excelsior Trust that has been around for 25 years or more. The Excelsior Extreme 9 is a shaving razor product in GTA IV and its related to the Excelsior a vessel thats now part of the largest fleet of sail training ships in the UK.

[ post edited 11-04-2009 10:25 PM by NoFate ]
11-04-2009 10:12 PM
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UPDATE! WARNING SPOILER - Upon further investigation into the this clue I stumbled upon some interesting information at the end credits of The Ballad of Gay Tony. At the very end Packie McReary is seen exiting a cab carrying one of the duffel bags from the "Three Leaf Clover" bank heist mission and walking towards the entrance of the Liberty City Airport. Afterwards, at the very end, a commercial plane takes off the runway with the letters "LKJ" on the tail and a series of numbers below it. I hadn't been able to copy the numbers in time but with a little investigation into the airline code "LKJ" I was able to link similar codes to one from the UK. My method in finding the similar code was based on the idea that "two is better than one" and it had to be in similar order. The meaning behind "two is better than one" simply means if Rockstar intends to parody anything it would be as close to its real life counterpart as possible which in this case its best to have as many similar letters as possible. The city that was closest in code to Rockstar's was in Brandon, Suffolk, Uk, three hours and eight minutes away from Lowestoft by public transportation.
11-04-2009 10:13 PM
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Update! - Now its becoming more clear that the seagull has significance. I'm quite sure that in the Niko story thread of GTA IV that the hidden birds throughout Liberty City sounded like pigeons when near their locations. In The Ballad of Gay Tony their sound have completely been changed from pigeon to seagull sounds. Why would Rockstar change the sound and thus type of bird for TBOGT? What significance is there in their decision to change the birds? I think in some way it connects to my theory of the UK being GTA's next destination.

[ post edited 11-04-2009 10:30 PM by NoFate ]
11-04-2009 10:14 PM
Tommy619
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The pigeons have changed to seagulls within the ballad of gay tony. The billboard ad as shown above is shown on the Seagull Theater which is featured in the game.
Maybe the clue is on the building ?
I know we get Seagull's all over Britain so it could also be a hint.
On the Seagull theater theres a picture of a man in a rain coat with his back to us.
Maybe another reference to London as it seems to constantly rain here?
We've had good suggestions to argue for France, London, Miami.
Should we just create a thread and put all our findings in it ?
We should look into what names are given on the ad above and maybe we'll find some familiar faces.
There was a reference in the game when i was playing to Miami 1987. There was also a magazine in the first safe house, there is a car magazine called BJ. Reference to BJ Smith, BJ's Auto's from Vice City.
11-05-2009 06:29 AM
NoFate
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Tommy619, there are numerous references to the original locales in the game, for instance theres an entire show about poker that's on location in Las Venturas. Some of the personals at the various social networking sites point to the familiar locales covered in the GTA Series but they don't necessarily justify where the next GTA will be.

Probably the most important clue in this entire investigation is the departure of Packie McReary. It would seem logical that a story will be threaded from his life, seeing as he was one of the four directly affected characters at the end of Niko Bellics story where both choices were a tragedy. And so with that in mind, where could he be going? The most logical place would be Ireland.

Everything in my findings lead me to the UK, meaning we'll have an opportunity to see London in full scale along with many other places. I believe the next GTA will be bigger than the original for the simple fact that most of this development time on GTA IV was based on building up instead of building out, all they have to do is scrap the original landscape, spread out the sand box, and replace the original assets with new ones adapted from their chosen UK locales.
11-05-2009 08:04 PM
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Being in the UK does not mean that we will not be given some surprises from Rockstar. It could be anything, Tommy Vercetti's drug operations expanded across the pond (SPOILER - Remember that girl from the UK in Maisonette that Luis used to date asking you for a ride to find her gay boyfriend all over the city, she asks you for coke and even asks Luis if he was going to London). Gay Tony talks with Luis about some business opportunities in London that they would not be pursuing because of all the problems the UK has at the moment, this could be any opening for a new series of characters that support the cause for Gay Tony to be so fearful. As you may or may not know Crips and Bloods are also in the UK, they aren't as big as in the US but they are there so Rockstar could introduce us to the UK branch of the GSF or Grove Street Families, CJ may or may not be present.

There are endless ways that Rockstar could do this, many original ideas could come from the characters within the series so the UK could be an extraordinary fresh take in the GTA Series.
11-05-2009 08:24 PM
CrowbarRX
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UK seems logical, but the proof stated isn't really proof, its here say basedon some elements within GTA IV/DLC. Sure, maybe the next game will follow Packie McReary, which would be a departure from conventional GTA games since you never follow another character from another game, but we get seagulls in australia too, they're everywhere, flying rats like pigeons. while London 1969 is a good reference (props to the oldschool PC GTA reference/saw a question to rockstar saying "remember it originated on playstation!"....idiots)

Anyway while London is a viable idea, i doub't it would be set there, i don't believe theres a big enough market for a london based GTA, we all played the games based on settings that we found interesting: New York with its massive crime, Miami for drugs and San Francisco...well, shit knows about that, but it was one of the 3 major cities in GTA1. Another conclusion may be to look at GTA2 and its settings, they've done GTA1s 3 cities, why not move onto GTA2? something "one week in the future"

Edit: LKJ? Think of the alphabet, reverse it, NMLKJIH etc. Probably means nothing except a random letter sequence. I still stem my vote for Vice City, though. They successfully recreated NY spectacularly, they may as well do Miami while they're at it, probably throw in Vercetti references and boom done.

[ post edited 11-06-2009 12:02 PM by CrowbarRX ]
11-06-2009 11:55 AM
NoFate
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Thank you for looking at my ideas CrowbarRX, I appreciate your contribution. I know everyone wants the next GTA to be in Vice City, I would play the game even if it wasn't in the UK (I'm from Chicago so I should be bantering about how cold-blooded it would be to be able to kill CTA passengers) but there are alot of signs within the main story and the conclusion of GTA IV that point to the UK being a big possibility, denying that is simply denial that only you can deal with. The UK would be a good idea simply because its a fresh take on the series, the UK is not so exotic that your too unfamiliar with it but there are many things within the UK that many of us could be unaware of, things that could surprise us.


Something that confuses me about many people wanting Vice City is whats the incentive to having another GTA in Vice City? I'm sorry to have said that but the 80's was only good for a few things within the underworld; cocaine, cars, music, and scenery. Cocaine brought about a sense of wild style to the 80's culture, the music wasn't bad but after hearing Toto's Africa for the thousandth time, enough already, the cars were becoming sleek and stylish but only a few of them can compare to the cars of today, and Miami's landscape is nice but I can't stare at hotels while shooting it out with the cops. Miami would not be where it is today if it wasn't for cocaine, cocaine built most of Miami and so we've seen that, done that, now its time to move on in the GTA Saga. To me, the Miami of today is not a good enough reason to return back to Vice City, they would have to do alot to spark a greater interest in the Miami scene again, without going back to the 80's.
11-07-2009 01:47 AM
NoFate
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My observation of "LKJ" was simply curiosity sprung from the TBOGT end credits camera focus on those letters on the commercial plane. It seemed like a point of interest and unlike many people I research the smallest details, and when I did, for some odd reason, the closest letter sequence to "LKJ" was not too far from Lowestoft, Suffolk. Mind you, I looked this up after I found the Seagull Theatre in Lowestoft so I was already pointed in the UK's direction. I think details should always be investigated no matter how minute it may seem especially when it comes to Rockstar, they are all about the minor details, for instance, the graffiti that they had in some buildings had familiar names in them and they knew that some people, like myself, would pay close attention to them. They realize that much of the audience that they sell their games too are detailed oriented and so they build their games along those lines.


We did not play games based on settings that we found interesting, we played games based on settings that they found interesting and thus we found to be interesting. The demand comes second to development of any title, if Capcom had told their fans before hand that RE 5 was set in Africa a large portion of their fanbase would strongly have a problem with that and it probably wouldn't have been made if it was based on fans demands. Instead, the team at Capcom made sense of their idea to base it on Africa with various references about the economic state of Africa throughout history and presently. When the game was nearly finished they took interviews, made in-game footage, released trailers, and eventually the fans, and those with some interest, were able to make sense of why Capocom would go in that direction. As for Rockstar, if they want to continue to keep an interest in GTA, the introduction into a new underworld culture must gradual, leading from their last GTA title into the new GTA title seemlessly so as not to lose the fanbase.
11-07-2009 01:50 AM
CrowbarRX
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Valid points, NoFate (terminator reference?), While everything does point to the UK, i say Vice City basically because people would be interested in a modern day Vice City, and possibly a San Andreas, but my guess would be, as you said about leading from one title into another, a good idea would be to have the next locale in the current game for whatever reason.

Looking at the past details, San Andreas had Marcos Bistro from Liberty City in it, which in hindsight was a very big clue. "Vice City FM" in EFLC in my opinion is basically a large clue, an indication of the next location and the type of music to expect, unless it was thrown in as an attempt to make us assume it will be Vice City, which is also possible, i'd fathom my guess at VC, but you had a valid point about locales, and Capcom/RE5. While it all points to the UK i agree, a good step would be to take it to somewhere its never been before, Australia for example, which looking at the image, bears "green and yellow" or "green and gold" which are AU colours. While i find it highly unlikely thats the setting, it wouldn't be bad. The colours do play a role in the indication, if it is one at all i'd say, and the UK would have union jack (red/blue) references as opposed to green and yellow.

....Maybe they'll just go somewhere you completely don't expect, like Hawaii or some such island locale.
11-07-2009 10:24 AM
NoFate
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CrowbarRX, you make some very interesting points about the Vice City FM in EFLC but the radio station is basically dedicated to 80's music, which was a favorite sound from GTA3, GTA Vice City, and GTA San Andreas. Basically, they had to give the people what they wanted, which in this case was that classic 80's sound.

Its interesting how so many people are trying to interpret the clue image, which at this point is pretty indecipherable in my opinion. This was clearly done on purpose by the art department and they realised that so many people would be so fixated on what it is instead of paying closer attention to the other elements within the page, remember my friend, the real clues are hidden in plain sight under the veil of misdirecting symbols, which I believe in this case is the tear image.

Rockstar Games receives much of its appeal based on the cleverness of GTA. The entire game is based on parody and for those looking into the next GTA titles, its also based on clues and hidden messages.
11-07-2009 11:31 AM
NoFate
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Now, as for the colors within the image itself, the colors could definitely be a tropical setting but this image could also be for an ad and not necessarily the next GTA cover. Anything official like flag colors would be on covers and not ads and we are not completely sure if this is not an ad or postcard. If the image is still the main concern, like I've said, what is the significance of the other elements in the page, if they clearly had no significance they could have simply put that image on a blank page instead of turning into a GTA World asset of interest, pointless to just add another billboard to the game.

The point could be made that much of the GTA world was changed in TBOGT to make it seem as though time has progressed from Niko's storyline but thats incorrect simply due that these three stories all took place at the same time, thus you have all three characters in one mission.

I agree that Australia wouldn't be bad at all, all I know about Australia's underworld history are corrupt business tycoons, the Triads, the racial tension created by the New Third Reich, Mark Brandon "Chopper" Reid, The Carlton Crew, Terry "Mr. Asia" Clark, The Honoured Society, and so with that in mind it could be quite exciting to go to Australia in this next GTA, I respect it as a possibility but remember the predominant market. Hopefully my America is willing to think outside the box and take that adventure to the AU and hopefully Rockstar Games, Take Two, and its investors are open minded and confident enough in their product to take this chance.

[ post edited 11-07-2009 12:08 PM by NoFate ]
11-07-2009 12:03 PM
CrowbarRX
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It would be good to take it outside the box and go AU or some other foreign locale, yeah we have Chopper Reid, the Melbourne Underworld, etc, it fits in with the GTA gameplay, and good point on nobody really knows what it is, the image may not be anything at all, just an excuse not to reveal the next location until 2010 sometime....but chances are we won't see another GTA game for a few years, if the indicators between releases is anything to go by, unless they had a team working alongside the DLC teams. Its all a waiting game sadly.
11-08-2009 12:24 PM
Tommy619
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With the Uk as a setting i believe it'd be alot more enjoyable and more likely given the multitude of references and strong hints and pointers. We have a lot of crime in London with gangs, drugs, and knife and gun crime seemingly at an all time high. We also are a country in a similar depression as experienced in the 70's.
I'm still on the fence as to which way i believe they will go but i'm swaying towards Vice City the more i play through TBOGT.
All the neon's in the clubs, palm tree's and generally the whole feel of the game reminded me of Vice City. The references to Vice City seem more subtle but they are still there. Theres also alot of bands releasing music in 1987 such as Genesis, Motley Crue, Napalm Death, Moterhead, Kiss, Anthrax. Not just power ballads.
11-09-2009 09:07 AM
Ghanaru
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if it is set in Vice City again, maybe there will be a connection between the protagonist and Pete Vance..i guess.. and hey.. remember the previous GTA series like Vice city and San Andreas, there are seagulls flying toward those areas.. you may shoot em.. and if you check out the stats, it reads 'seagulls sniped:' .. this maybe a hint why Rockstar Games changed Flying Rats to Seagulls thing.. N i hope Rockstar brings us back to 80s or 90s..
11-10-2009 07:43 AM
 

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