Wednesday, July 20th, 2005
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ESRB Investigation Conclusion

GTAGaming.com - Rockstar/Take2 News | @ 02:39 PM MDT | By rappo
After the heavy investigation of Rockstar's hidden scenes, brought in the game by the "Hot Coffee Mod," the conclusion has finally been announced, and, unfortunately, it's not looking bright for Rockstar or the Grand Theft Auto series.
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO) announced today that the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) has changed the rating of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas on all platforms from "Mature 17+" (M) to "Adults Only 18+" (AO) because of the so-called "hot coffee mod," an unauthorized third party modification that alters the retail version of the game. Take-Two cooperated fully with the ESRB's investigation.

As a result of the re-rating of the game, Take-Two is lowering guidance for the third fiscal quarter ending July 31, 2005 to $160 to $170 million in net sales and a net loss per share of $(0.40) to $(0.45) to provide reserves for the value of the title's current North American retail inventory. Accordingly, guidance for the fiscal year ending October 31, 2005 is also being lowered to $1.26 to $1.31 billion in net sales and $1.05 to $1.12 in diluted earnings per share.


The Take 2 Games announcement also states that "Rockstar Games to cease manufacture of current version of title and offer a downloadable patch to prevent modification of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for PC."

Although plenty of copies of the game have already been sold, this will definitely be a blow to the future sales of San Andreas and maybe even the mod community.

UPDATE: Unfortunately, the affects have already hit...
It didn't take long for the effects of the rating to be felt. Late Wednesday, Target, and Best Buy issued press releases they were pulling all versions of San Andreas from shelve.

Unconfirmed reports had GameStop following suit, and Wal-Mart told CNN/Money that it had issued orders to all stores to stop selling the game. "We do not sell games that are rated AO," Wal-Mart spokesperson Karen Burk told the site.


UPDATE #2: Green18fan has brought to our attention a new article by Maddox, the famous ranter of the internet, that touches on the Hot Coffee contreversy. It's a hilarious article, and definitely worth a read. You can view that here.

Link: Take 2 Games - Investor Relations General Information
Related Link: Yahoo! News
Related Link: Gamespot
Related Link: Maddox - The Best Page in the Universe
Source: GTASanAn.com

In other news, the Soccer Moms of America Association has a party...

Thanks to texanfanatic99 for the GameSpot update and green18fan for the Maddox update.
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Mike
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Oh my god, no!!!!!!

I better run out and get my copy of SA for Xbox, before the AO rating is put into effect.

Yay, first post!
07-20-2005 02:50 PM
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Stop Game modification? LOL
Then they will close the entire GTA Community.. Literally..
I love R* and all their games, but if they really do release a patch to stop modification, as much as i like them.
Im definitly breaking through and pirating the nonpatched game..
Gotta keep the community alive.
Or else, what will gtagaming.com have for downloads :P

(Unless they just want to remove the pr0n from the game, which is all good. since it wont damage anything. And right about now, i fell like punching the dude who ever discovered that mod :D )
07-20-2005 02:57 PM
texanfanatic99
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Holy shit, this is unbelieveable.
07-20-2005 03:00 PM
zombienm
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ok...one question....if you have parents over 18, can they just go out and buy the game for you still?

I mean the retailer wouldn't have to know that it was for their teenage son....

i think that mod is stupid. i have always thought that mod was stupid. Now i bet the dude that found it feels really bad....
07-20-2005 03:05 PM
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Yeah, zombie, parents could buy it and give it to their kids. But, good luck finding a store that sells AO rated games.

And Dgtadude, it doesn't say it won't be modable. It says there will be a downloadable patch so you can't modify. Basically, a download for the soccer moms of America.
07-20-2005 03:10 PM
Bladexen
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That sux!!!! Its not like ppl played it for that. Godamnit!
07-20-2005 03:13 PM
sanandreashalo
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this is why I buy the games on the first day they are released, before any of this BS gets going, and now it really sucks. Its on the Yahoo front page now, here is the link to the article
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050720/ap_on_hi_te/video_game_sex

but this is interesting, look what it says, now Rockstar changed their side of the story:

Rockstar's parent company, Take Two Interactive, also admitted for the first time that the sex scenes had been built into the retail version of that game — not just the PC version but also those written for Xbox and PlayStation2 consoles.

Company officials had previously suggested that a modification created by outsiders added the scenes.

"There is sex content in the disc," said Take-Two spokesman Jim Ankner. "The editing and finalization of any game is a complicated task and it's not uncommon for unused and unfinished content to remain on the disc."

this sucks royally, a very bad day for the GTA community :-(
07-20-2005 03:43 PM
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*Flat Line* CLEAR!!! ~ZAP~

lol

I feel sorry Rockstar...NOT~

[ post edited 07-20-2005 04:25 PM by GTT ]
07-20-2005 03:43 PM
Neil
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This is definitely a good thing. It'll teach Rockstar to be more careful and clean up their code.

Secondly, it will bring the AO rating into the spotlight and show just how stupid it is when the M rating exists. ESRB needs to totally overhaul the ratings system and get some true legal backing to it. The sale of age-rated games to underage persons should be made illegal in ALL states, and the AO/M ratings should be combined. Does 1 year really make that much difference?

Without legal backing, these issues will continue. In the UK it's illegal to sell San Andreas to anyone under the age of 18, and it has been like that since launch. The retailer who does so can be fined. America should take a leaf out of the UK's book.
07-20-2005 03:44 PM
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Just (slang for sexual intercourse) figures.
I knew as soon as the ESRB got involved it wasn't gonna be good, but I never thought they'd change the rating.
That's gonna (slang for sexual intercourse) sales for sure.
07-20-2005 03:45 PM
Neil
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And anyone who feels sorry for Rockstar clearly needs to think about it. The company talks utter sh*t to defend their commercial interests and has now totally lost all respect of the GTA community by claiming that they may take legal action against it!

So, Rockstar - if Hot Coffee was wholly the work of a "hacker", why has your game been hit up to AO?!
07-20-2005 03:46 PM
sanandreashalo
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remember all that talk about there being lots of "secrets" no one had found yet, well here it is.... the hot coffee is what they were talking about, not that bigfoot bs
07-20-2005 03:48 PM
Mike
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Well, AO is rarely sold at retailers, Rockstar is screwed in the ass.
07-20-2005 03:49 PM
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looks like they're just encouraging more piracy.... if you cant get it at the stores, you can definitly get it online.
as madd dogg put it, 'they're just hatin' on [rockstar]'
07-20-2005 04:01 PM
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Even Postal 2, a game where you can pour gasolene on people, set them on fire, urinate in people's mouths to induce vomiting, tazer someone until they're a shivering mass of electrocuted flesh on the ground, decapitate someone with a shovel and play "soccer" with thier head, kill a cat or dog with a shovel and set them on fire, was rated M. I truely don't believe SA deserves a stronger rating than Postal because of a sex scene that isn't even in the final version of the game. F'ing rediculous.

And if anyone's reading this from g-unleashed, yes, I really am that lazy.
07-20-2005 04:07 PM
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And, Neil, R* did exactly what they had to do. Hot coffee was not in the final version of the game, and it took intentional modification of the code to function. Therefore, it shoudn't have been included in the rating.

Let's face it, any 17 year old has most likely already seen much more graphic scenes than the one included in hot coffee. Probably not even pixelated, either.

[ post edited 07-20-2005 04:20 PM by green18fan ]
07-20-2005 04:13 PM
ash_735
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Surely now that San Andreas will be rated as AO then that means R* can now officially include Hot Coffee in the game as it was intended to be played?
If on the other hand its been bumped up, and a patch has been released so u cant even get it, then thats abit messed up and clearly doesnt make sense.
07-20-2005 04:15 PM
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Well congradulations to all you incompetent over protective mothers out there, you win again. Now your 17 year olds won't have to endure the horrors of this dispicable game til next year[/sarcasam]
07-20-2005 04:18 PM
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if r* creats a patch is it gonna go back rated mature
btw dose any one kno a converter which converts ogg files to mp3 for san andreas thanks
07-20-2005 05:06 PM
Mike
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Ok, here's the latest report:

I've called my local Game Crazy, Gamestop and EB Games: None are selling San Andreas anymore. This shit is spreading WAY too fast!
07-20-2005 05:19 PM
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holy ****, I'm speachless!...and mad!
Hope this won't affect the rating of GTA:LCS...
07-20-2005 05:34 PM
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greem18 has a very good point. people will only attack what is in the mainstream even if there are things out there far worse.

(to paraphrase Family Guy)

"Hilary may try to straighten up the video game industry...even though she could never straighten up BILL!"
07-20-2005 06:24 PM
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Thats stupid, it should only be rated AO on teh pc.
but on teh plus side I finally git to play an AO rated game:D
But I have gamefly and I wonder if they will stop renting copies? Not that it would make a difference for me though. I did want to play it on xbox once I buy one:(
07-20-2005 06:31 PM
Jimmy F23
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I THINK THOSE PLACES DONT SELL THEM JOE_ZOMBIE IS CAUSE OF THE CHANGE MABEY AFTER NEW COPIES R MADE OR WHAT EVER THEYLL START SELLING AGIAN LETS HOPE
07-20-2005 06:31 PM
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**twiching left eye** wha the fu*k......is it that serious....**speeachless**
07-20-2005 07:38 PM
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Hmmm...... Well I can see it and some retailers like EB games and such I mean for god sakes its GTA the best selling game of all time they be nuts not to sell it.

Also this is a good time at least little kids won't get it. I mean selling a rated M game is nothing ,but saling something that is basically rated the same as porn ,Nobody would do that. If I was rockstar I just make it so it was unrated like so many movies get away with. "Bad Santa (unrated version"

Also in future copies when they get rid of the sex will they be able to change it back to the original rating.
07-20-2005 07:53 PM
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Looking at it, I'm supprised enough the ESRB actually changed the rating in the first place, so it seems really dumb to change it again back to M.
Adding to Mike's comment, the GameStop and EB Games near me have also stopped sale of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and when I asked how long, they said that is wouldn't be avalible in their stores anymore.
Note-Walmart also said this, but nobody really cares because Walmart is littered with the people who say GTA is responsible for America's morale decline.

It also seems very unlikely that, if and when the patch is released and the disk is edited, modding will be as simple as it currently is. The coding that they'll put on it to prevent the Hot Coffee mod will erase or block parts of the origional code, therefor making the mods harder to produce, at least that's my view, don't know if 2 years in game design has a value...
And one last question. Will Rockstar alternate the ARMAX code disks to prevent PS2/X-Box Hot Coffee, as well?
07-20-2005 08:34 PM
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jesus christ, if u can hire a prostitue, why cant u have hot coffee. and with the level of violence in the game, it is meant for adults; so wat difference does it make if hot coffee exists?

stop mods? my god, wat have they been smoking lately?


f**kin' haters.
07-20-2005 08:58 PM
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I think they are not going to STOP the mods from working but they will just remove those hidden files of HOT COFFEE and also remove the Hot Coffee mini-game from the game only.
07-20-2005 09:53 PM
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This is bullshit.. I read an article in the paper that was similar to this story about the ESRB thinking of making the rating of SA from M to AO. I hope they dont do that..

[ post edited 07-20-2005 10:16 PM by Matt17 ]
07-20-2005 10:14 PM
GTT
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oh man I can see it now..

person has hard time to find game.
person downloads game...
person makes copies of game and give to other people...
person makes money..
RockStar's stock goes down...

etc.... hope that doesn't happen in anyway
07-20-2005 10:24 PM
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Same here, GTT. They could sell it online or through the phone, but piracy will still be rampant.
07-20-2005 10:34 PM
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Guys If you read what it says it say GTA san andreas rating has gon to AO. It does not mean the upcoming is AO. I thank on the next one they wont allow mods. Its not R* vault its the moders who made it.
07-20-2005 10:50 PM
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I just think its plain stupid. Bottom Line. I think when they come out with more games in the GTA series they should just put in for console based not computer based or else not a lot of people would have the codeing for it to make such a mod.
07-20-2005 11:14 PM
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Here in NZ, and probably in Aus aswell, the game's already rated R18, and it's still sold in all the stores, even The Wherehouse. (equivalent to Wal-Mart.)

None of the stores bother with the age restriction anyway... I've been buying R18 games (myself) since I was about 12 or 13.


On a side note, now that the game's R18, I'm wondering why Rockstar don't just put the sex back into it. In my opinion that would kick the game sales back up. And at least then all the shit they've been through wouldn't be all for nothing.
07-20-2005 11:21 PM
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san andreas ps2 has been out for like 9 months now, so Rockstar got plenty of money from that version. Imagine if this hot coffee had happened right around October November last year, that would of been a total disaster... plus the xbox and pc versions have been out for more than a month, and most hardcore GTA fans like me buy the game the first day its released, so no big deal... but this is still disappointing and I wonder what Rockstar will do with future GTA games..
07-20-2005 11:53 PM
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two words - fucking pathetic

this whole situation has been handled terribly on both sides of the fence=\
07-21-2005 12:02 AM
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So, you have to download a patch, so when *you* download the mod, it won't work...

That makes no fucking sense at all.

But what do I care, I'm 18.
07-21-2005 12:17 AM
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Ok, i'm a big fan of GTA games but its really lame on both ends of the street.

Lame of Rockstar for being so lazy to not take that part of the game out rather than lock it.

Lame of ESRB


I donno ... its such a Pathetic Story i dont feel like crying over.
Chow
07-21-2005 02:05 AM
Neil
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Has nobody realised that the only difference between M and AO is the word "prolonged"?! Go read it on ESRB.com. Now, why not just have one category? What difference does a year make?

The problem here is the ratings system - it has no legal backup. They MUST introduce laws which prevent minors from getting age restricted games across the whole of the US!
07-21-2005 03:28 AM
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You know what, i think that stupid article that described the hot coffee mod as being a simple cheat that could be activated easily by typing in a few buttons should be f***** up the a**. It's likely that this article was one of the first to be published and afterwards the SMFAW had to get involved (The Soccer Mum's From Around The World).

I'VE GOT TWO THINGS TO SAY F*** YOU SOCCER MUMS AND F*** YOU GUY THAT WROTE THAT STUPID ARTICLE.

No i won't name him as i am to lazy to look at that despicable piece of online words tied together and pluck it (being the name) out.

This is NOT GOING TO AFFECT AMERICA!!!!!! AT LEAST YOU HAVE AN AO RATING, AND AT LEAST SOME STORES SELL AO GAMES.. I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA!!!! thank god i already have the game on pc :] though i still feel sorry for all the aussies out there that weren't fast enough on the trigger.

*edit* spelling mistakes

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07-21-2005 04:00 AM
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I'm 16, walked into Electronics Boutique, my mum was given a lecture on how "violent" GTA:San Andreas is when i asked her to purchase it for me, for f***'s sake the employee actually told my mum about the third mission where you raid a crack house, ho's and b*****'s coming at you from all sides. F*** U TOO YOU STUPID EB EMPLOYEE

Good, now that i got that off my chest i feel like playing some GTA, i don't need that silly hot coffee mod installed to enjoy the game neither...

For future reference i believe that we as a gta mod community have a responsibility to protect the label as much as we can while still enjoying the overwhelming glory of mods. Maybe, we should have introduced enough new material into the game with that "Hot Coffee" mod to make it look like we created it from scratch. I don't want to see a brand such as GTA be dethroned because of some guy taking to much interesting in the gta main script. text.

btw i h8 those idiots for raising the rating on the console versions as the only way this "hot coffee stuff" could possibly be exposed is through the pc version, or in its text form cracked from the ps2/xbox disc.

In any case, i know we can easily blame Rockstar for leaving the coding on the dvd, blah blah blah, it's their fault, they should have cleaned the dvd off blah blah blah.... Newsflash; it's not their fault. It's because we are too obsessed with the game; Grand Theft Auto San Andreas.

The fact of the matter is, Rockstar don't deserve to take the blame, remember, what ever they put inside that dvd was for us, the fans.

Also, i'll quote Neil for dropping off his almighty wisdom on us:

Neil: "The problem here is the ratings system - it has no legal backup. They MUST introduce laws which prevent minors from getting age restricted games across the whole of the US!"

*edit* spelling mistakes

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07-21-2005 04:01 AM
CoZmICPinBaLL
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Uhh, yeah dude that's not only the US "ESRB" rating system that is f'd up, it's all the rating systems. Like, heh, the one in Australia that allowed me to get my greasy paws on this spenldiferous game.

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07-21-2005 04:01 AM
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I think it's nice that since Hillary Clinton has solved all of the problems in New York that she can focus on the Real Threat to America, Video Games. Obviously she has single-handedly defeated the health care crisis, failing economy, AIDS, cancer, and street crime combined, since she is able to focus the brunt of her attention towards battling the Evils of Entertainment.

Hillary Clinton and Jack Thompson are likely to celebrate today's events with a book burning. It's a true victory for censorship.

Huzzah?
07-21-2005 04:24 AM
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Movies are much more corruptive to peoples minds, comparatively, than computer games. The only reason people pick on the gaming industry is either because they are to old to play them and are therefore jealous, or don't have thumbs... HUZZAH!!!
07-21-2005 04:30 AM
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"
Hillary Clinton and Jack Thompson are likely to celebrate today's events with a book burning. It's a true victory for censorship."


Yeah, I'm sick of the censoring sh!t ... I do not know one kid that does not play GTA SA , all my sister's kids Play it... When i was a little one i play GTA 1.

Really... There is no fken point to censorship non at fken all... Only those unfortunate people in africa are the kids left out...Go spend your time teeching them God and How naughty Games are...

Remember kids.

Guns are bad! Thats why we Sell em in America!
07-21-2005 04:49 AM
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I heared this on the news after scotty (from original startrek died) Man yesterday is just a crappy day Scotty is dead and a game I was going to get for PC for mods is made rated A for adults becuase of some stupid ass modification...
07-21-2005 08:52 AM
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Also...
Why cant people just leave this game alone? The stupid soccer moms always have to ruin are lives becuase we love violent video games. No there must be less violence lets go after grand theft auto. Becuase its violent. God I am pissed right now...
07-21-2005 09:17 AM
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I was waiting for the PC version to come out but did not go out and purchase it. Then this crap hit the news so I said I better rush out and buy it. Fortunately here in Canada the game has not been pulled off the retail shelves. i went out yesterday and got the DVD ROm PC game and they are almost sold out of the PC version. Xbox version is also still on shelves. This will reap big profits here in the great white north. Even with Best Buy, Walmart here in Canada no mention to pull it off shelves. Were all going to hell up here in Canada Gay marriage ,pot smoking, GTA SA and no adult rating oh my!!
07-21-2005 09:25 AM
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Well they said they were only rating GTA: SanAndreas A/O, but they just might rate upcoming titles for the GTA: Series, if theres even going to be another. I feel sad that news medias and the government are wasting their time on video games. Theres more issues out there than GTA, but they'll do anything to take away from what they think seems to be eating little kids brains away (Video Games), but on the other hand with nothing else better for "Hilary" and others to do but sip tea and ignore world issues, why not pick on something that they probably have little, to none talent in doing, which is playing video games. Well, with all that said my little present for the "over aged" soccor moms of america and the government are two defined middle fingers. The GTA series and community shall not go down!!!!
07-21-2005 09:51 AM
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PATRICKW WHY DID YOU DO THE MOD WHY!?!? WHY!??!?! WHHHHHYYYYYYY!?!?!?!?!?
07-21-2005 10:36 AM
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Well Hillary Clinton Just wants to be scene. God I hate he she fucked up every thang.
07-21-2005 10:38 AM
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Well, the real question..Will mods still be made for the pc version for those who have the unchanged game?
07-21-2005 10:53 AM
GTT
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just don't download the patch...(if any)

It's as simple as that...
07-21-2005 10:55 AM
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hilary wants to appear as she in the center politically. this is a nice move to the right so she can win over moderates for her run to the white house in 2008. The best place to get votes is over zealous soccer moms in the burbs.

doesn't matter about the patch as soon as you say sex and again these fools go nuts. they want all games to be babysitters for there kids. funny thing is that they forget about the voilence and zero in on one little sex scene that needs to be modded to see it .
07-21-2005 11:18 AM
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DAMN YOU SOCCER MOMS!!!
but yeah should we care about more important things then video games?
07-21-2005 11:22 AM
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I wonder why Rockstar want to put a mini game (hidden in the GTASA) like that? I think rockstar really screwed it up this time. If Rockstar didn't put that in there, it wouldn't be a problem and they wouldn't lose all those sales and get in all this trouble. Next time don't put stuff in Grand Theft Auto like that, and if hidden. I hope they learn there lesson.
07-21-2005 11:39 AM
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At this point, the game is known well enough that it will remain popular. People will just find alternate avenues to purchase the game.

PS "Original copy M rated collector item" crew reprazent.
07-21-2005 11:53 AM
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I guess I won't be getting GTASA "Original M rated collector item"

I wonder if blockbuster still allow people to rent it... I haven't finished it yet...

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07-21-2005 12:00 PM
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would be funny if alot of people with graphics problem DO need the patch, and they mix the graphix fix with the un-modifiable game :D

But again, i dont think it's possible. It would need to be a major patch, nothing like the patches before were it was 8Mb and such.
I think if they just release a patch with the new main.scm WITHOUT the sexscene code in them, that would be ok.
07-21-2005 12:45 PM
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well, i was bored, so:
Gamestop.com no longer has the game
EBgames.com no longer has the game
wal-mart.com no longer has the game

however Amazon still does.
07-21-2005 01:11 PM
GTT
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I can see it now..

"You must install GTASA patch in order for MTA: SA to work properly"
07-21-2005 01:25 PM
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this will just lead to burnt copys of the game and a higher download of no cd hacks. you cant stop the children soccer bitches, we grew up on thiis shit
07-21-2005 01:28 PM
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What about the PS2 original M Rated Version? Collectors item too?
07-21-2005 02:28 PM
Mike
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All our original versions are collectors items now, or soon will be. eBay, here I come...
07-21-2005 02:30 PM
GTT
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Rockstar's Stock goes down...

eBay's Stock goes up...

and P2P Stock goes up.. :P

lol

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07-21-2005 02:52 PM
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What? This goes only for America or what?

Geez that's a lot of "stockings" going down...
07-21-2005 03:38 PM
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tengo el hot cofee sin haberlo descargado. envio un email a rockstar pero no tienen soporte en castellano, envio otro a take 2 y aun no me an respondido. Como no reciba respuesta les voi a meter una demanda q se van a cagar...
07-21-2005 04:11 PM
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When you feel like crying, laugh instead, so this is funny as hell, sigh, i have nothing agaisn't americans, but american politicians sure are bastards who love to take any opportunity they get to fuc* with not only the american people, but with people all over the world as well.
This will affect R* more than some of you imagine and in a way, even future GTA games might not be as "bold" as the old ones.
Unless the patch fixes that impossible to complete "Stowaway" mission (airplane speed) bug, i won't download it.
I think we should do some kind of list with our names & ages and send it to R* to realease an normal patch or at least to realease 2 versions of the patch, one with the censorship and one that just fixes bugs, although i hardly believe they will do it, but it is still worth a shot.

:D

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07-21-2005 04:16 PM
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does this mean nobody is going to sell sa anymore?
07-21-2005 04:55 PM
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nobody subopolois... until they take out that mod..
07-21-2005 05:03 PM
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the xxx version is going for $120 on eBay now!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8206781235&category=62053&rd=1
07-21-2005 05:23 PM
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i guess waiting for the price of SA PC to go down is kindof out of the question..
07-21-2005 05:24 PM
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Guys dont worrie about it you still can by GTA SA anywhereon hte net thir is a store owened
by some chinses guy i know and he is still selling GTA SA for all system.
07-21-2005 05:42 PM
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OK... who's in the mood of making sex mods for other games? What's the difference?... I mean if u program a few coordinates and replace some textures in a 3d game you can see people doing with each other.

The same as, how can u rate a cablereciever 18+ if there are also channels for kids. It has a parental lock and so does SA in the way that it wasn't accessable during gameplay.

Those *ssholes are all focused on Rockstar's succes and want to take money profit in a sleazy way... how low can u be in this "fake" world of so called Parental Control. The world is all about money, believe me, they don't care about parents nor kids.

Why didn't they took action on the Laura croft nude patch?
The damn government made a fool out of themselves... there just the same like politicians in VC RADIO :)

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07-21-2005 05:51 PM
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Now the stupid inmature kids that blame gta for their crimes wont be able to play this game anymore. Its kind of funny how hackers can use a sorce code to make a game AO, maybe next time they should do it to a pokemon game.
07-21-2005 05:55 PM
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HOLYSH*T, Ebay, get ready, Im selling all my 3 copies for ps2 and pc for a minimum of 180$ dollars. If not now, then in 2 months :D
07-21-2005 08:57 PM
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Kin, Yes that is true. But as stated in ANY game's agreement,
Users are not to decompile or modifie the game in any way/shape or form.

They put this to state that, what ever you do. It's your falt.
So Yes we could have easly made a mod to do that, but ROCKSTAr. left the code in them. They made it acessable to users. So they get the blame.
Which sux i know.
07-21-2005 09:00 PM
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ya i'm wit what rickardo said....:/
07-21-2005 10:44 PM
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Nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky i got san andreas for pc,Xbox,andps2. xbox and pc versoin on Birth day I'm 13
07-21-2005 11:07 PM
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here some clues DON't date
07-21-2005 11:10 PM
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yeah the words " and the mod community." send shivers up my spine i got a mod that we been working almsot a year now for both vice city and sa if people just buying the game have a mod portected version then all the fans of road warrior and mad max will suffer. this is jsut sad sad day.

i mean yeah rockstar left or put the code in there but it did take a hacker to find it so rockstars not toataly to blame here if the hacker had not hacked the code looking for stuff in the first place the code would have laid dormant for a long long time.

and then their are the parents who think that the m in the ersb rating is "mild" why because their 12 year old who wants the newest games to be cool told her so or the parent just doesn't care...buy the game to shut the brat up for a while never mind the rating or the fact that he set the cat on fire more then once.

i'm not sure who i'm madder at it's a triphecta of really bad stuff if the hackers hadn't cracked the code we wouldn't be in this stuff but if rockstar hadn't left the code in the first place then the code couldn't be found...but if parents were as responsibile as they should be then none of this would have been as big as it was.

i'm a parent the only reason my son knows of gta's existence is because in vice city there is little to no language,he can just drive around or do fire fighter missions and save people and i'm always with him when he plays if i saw gta knowing what i know but cause i actualy do something most parents neglect it's called "reading" up on games in magazines or the internet (which is free at any library.)
never mind my friend ganjica who now works for money making models for games at an italian software house...never mind that his work on gta mods along with the knowledge he gained from making stuff work in game gave him a job. just grrrrrrrrr i hope all involved are very happy because this screws alot of people over who work hard and for what??
07-21-2005 11:30 PM
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has anyone really play the hot coffee mod?
07-21-2005 11:34 PM
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Guys just remmember, It wasnt a "Hacker" anyone here with little experienced could have activated it. Just takes some time to find the actuall hidden code.
07-21-2005 11:40 PM
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"has anyone really play the hot coffee mod?"

I havnt , but its obvious alot have for this to get as big as it has.

i wouldnt have even known about it if it wasnt for this blow up about it.

Its in all the Aussie Papers now.

Was having breakfast and noticed it.

I'll Scan it and link it for yas.
07-22-2005 01:36 AM
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damn this is big time stuff... they even showed game footage on my local news tonight... like 10 seconds of san andreas on the news, I never thought that would happen, then Conan O'Brien even made a joke about it in tonights episode, this is totally crazy.. all over a stupid ESRB rating, which is basically a one year difference.. Mature is 17 and older, AO is 18 and older, its so freakin stupid
07-22-2005 02:01 AM
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ITs all over the Media... Boy... I'd certainly not have a smile on my face if i'm Patrick or in Rock Star
07-22-2005 04:02 AM
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I must say, this is possibly the biggest casualty in the War on Video games. Now GTA is Adults Only, and since nobody carries AO games, Rockstar just got the shaft of a very stupid dispute over something that wasn't even put into the final game. What the hell kind of a difference does this make anyway? Are you telling me that picking up hookers, murdering innocent citizens and police officers with high-powered weaponry, burglarizing people's homes in the middle of the night, stealing, and doing drivebys aren't as bad as a pixelated sex scene? "Sure, you can murder anyone you want, steal whatever you want, and shoot whatever you want, as long as there isn't any sex involved." I have had it with these imbeciles trying to censor these games. It's entertainment, it's for fun, it's not meant to be taken seriously. And in this case, it's not even meant for children. But no, we have to get rid of all these bad games and keep them from rotting our children's minds. After all, they are our future and besides we don't want to burden our parents with the responsibility of parenting.
Besides, just because it says "AO" on the box doesn't mean anything. Nobody noticed the big fat "M" on the cover when the game was bought for their kids the first day it came out, what makes anyone think that a different label will make any difference?

I can't take this anymore.
07-22-2005 04:30 AM
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You know was really stupid about it, you can legally have sex from 16 years old, but you cant have animated virtual sex
07-22-2005 04:44 AM
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If you still want Grand Theft Auto San Andreas-
type in the search engine "Rockstar Warehouse"
or go to rockstargames.com and click "Merchandise"
and you can order Grand Theft Auto San Andreas for
Playstation 2, Xbox, PC, Plus many other Rockstar games.
There all New copies of the games. So if you don't have Grand
Theft Auto San Andreas to enjoy it, just go to "Rockstar Warehouse"
and purchase it there. How many times can I say that!
07-22-2005 08:20 AM
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"You know was really stupid about it, you can legally have sex from 16 years old, but you cant have animated virtual sex"


lol thats actually something to think about there rofl.
07-22-2005 08:54 AM
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Holy s*** My PS2 Box of san andreas is a collectors item :)
07-22-2005 09:08 AM
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Thanks modders you fizzucked everything, And damn the ESRB to bloody hell.
07-22-2005 09:11 AM
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Such a stupid situation. Everyone pulling the game, getting an AO rating, this is fucking America! We have the freedom to play the games we want!
07-22-2005 10:39 AM
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Muahahahaha! I have original XBOX, PS2 and 2 copies of PC versions.Other is unopened in the plastic and so it shall be.Itīs gonna become a collectorīs piece. And they still sell it here in Finland. Money talks and people listen (at least where freedom counts). god bless You America! Helena Wankstein the gunfreak is going to suck my **** right now.
07-22-2005 11:03 AM
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I think that Grand theft Auto San Andreas should still be rated Mature because, the Getaway Black Monday (Blood, Drug Reference, Intense Violence, Nudity, Sexual Themes, Strong Language) has about the same amount of content that Grand Theft Auto San Andreas has. Also Conker Live & Reloaded has 7 descriptors and they are> (Blood & Gore, Intense Violence, Mature Humor, Sexual Themes, Strong Language, Use of Drugs, and Use of Alcohol). That's alot worst than Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. I don't hear any of the news stations taking about them!
07-22-2005 11:19 AM
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that means that GTA:LCS will not have sex mini games.... that sux
07-22-2005 11:45 AM
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GTA sold Millions of coppies. It is worth just as much as it was worth, i just wonder how it will work for trading the game into GameStop or EB etc
07-22-2005 12:27 PM
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An un opened PC version might fetch a pretty penny, but GTA SA for PS2 isnt that worhy
07-22-2005 12:28 PM
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If Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is rated Adult Only +18, this could mean that the next Grand Theft Auto could have more descriptors and could be Rated Adults Only +18. I think rockstar wants to keep Grand theft Auto at Mature so they can get alot of sales, but there could be a good chance that nudity could be involved in the next Grand Theft Auto. But this time they won't put any mini game like "hot coffee" in it.
07-22-2005 12:30 PM
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I doubt the next GTA will be AO. Rockstar will probably learn from this and not do it again.
07-22-2005 02:57 PM
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GTA SA should be also rated -60 so soccer moms could not play...or how else they know how it can hurt you? I bet they never got the excitement bar to end (propably not even with their husbands)
07-22-2005 03:19 PM
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ouch.... Immoral_Pagan....
07-22-2005 04:31 PM
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I bet the guy who released the mod feels bad...
07-22-2005 04:35 PM
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My bet is Rockstar just might get more sales if the next gta is rated AO. Kids will be interested in the fact. They'll think "Hey this is rated AO, I wonder what they're trying to keep from me". Curiosity is a value that kids have. I don't know, and I don't care really, rockstar learned their lesson hopefully. I'll be able to still get the game if it was rated XXX it doesn't matter. It just sucks for the mod community.
07-22-2005 05:58 PM
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Best Buy, Walmart and other stores that are not selling Grand Theft Auto San Andreas really ruin some people's lives. Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is the the King of all video games and is enjoyable. Not selling Grand Theft Auto is like a building full of people exploding. That very stupid on Best Buy, Walmart, and Target's part. What has this world come to when you can't buy Grand Theft Auto San Andreas at your local video game store?

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07-22-2005 06:37 PM
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If Rockstar was smart enough to know that they weren't going to release the, 'Hot Coffee Mod' then why didn't they just yank all the files out before they released San Andreas? I mean, if I invented a game and new that one thing was going to be in the Final Version, I would just yank it out, instead of just locking it away in the disc, which then a Professional Modder can go find it. Great going, Rockstar ;)
07-22-2005 08:14 PM
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hey guys i was just thinkin that changing the Rating of San Andreas wont effect it in a bad way it realli helps San Andreas because its the only AO game ever. This realli helps it and more ppl will prob. buy it i might be rong about ppl by'ing it but its true about the AO rating
07-22-2005 10:12 PM
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And it's all PatrickW's fault He made the Fu(Explitive deleted) Mod
I HAVEN'T GOT MY PC COPY AND MY PS2 VERSION WAS STOLEN
WAS ELSE CAN HAPPEN TO ME!?!?!? ;_;

I think they are pushin so fu(Explitive deleted) hard on SA because the main character was fu(Explitive deleted) Black...I'm positive that has to be the problem... they didn.t bash so hard on the other games because the only game you can play a black person in is one of those "Create-a-character" gameswhich really doesn't have a racial problem but this is almost(and probably is) the only game where you star as a black man

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07-22-2005 10:38 PM
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....yeah that's true... at the moment
but when "True Crime: New York City" comes out, you will play a black man...

and I'm sure it wont have any problems :P

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07-23-2005 11:24 AM
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Hiliary cliton is a raises cuz CJ is black and she wants san andreas gon
07-23-2005 02:35 PM
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madox is a freaken idiot its just a naked lady if hes 17 he would like it and wouldnt complain and **** hilary clinton if hes under 17 he shouldnt even play this game i hope rockstar makes another gta

omg u r 100% correct

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07-23-2005 02:43 PM
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I tried reporting this as a new event, but for some reason the form does not seem to be delivering it to it's destination. So here it is :

http://gtahoodz.com/g4tv_hotcoffee_discussion.zip

It's a capture 13 Minute video of a episiode of "G4tv.com" Show from the G4Tv Channel were they talked about the HotCoffee Mod. And to some goverment person about it.
I was able to get it compressed to 40MB (WMV) without quality loss. But if the gtagaming.com's admin find it usefull. I ask you to host it on the edgenetwork. As i do not have much bandwidth to spare.
07-23-2005 02:46 PM
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Also :
Guys, it it was not PatricW who discovered it, some other person would. just later on.
It's not his falt. He was actually the fastest one to do so.
07-23-2005 02:47 PM
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mmmmm this whole thing will just encourage younger people to download the game instaed of buying it.
maddox's article was hilarious
07-23-2005 04:01 PM
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Personally, after I finish beating the games, the primary reason I go back to play GTA games is to relieve some stress. If I get to kill some hooker in a video game or run over a cop with his own vehicle, I'm sure as heck not going to do it in REAL life. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most people do the same thing with the game as a stress-reliever.

So in the end, these f'ing soccer moms may end up doing more harm than good by getting this game pulled. I mean, I bet a few really, really, really, really stupid teenagers are going to start acting these things out now that they DON'T have it to play out in a fantasy world. The very same thing conservatives think they would do if they DID play the games.

All I can say is I hope our society can get past nudity and sex (the least offensive thing you could possibly do in this game) the way most countries do. This new surge in radical rightwing activism really blows for artists.
07-23-2005 04:37 PM
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Question: Is there anyone here who is offended by sex? If so, are you offended by sex MORE than you are offended by murder? The only reason this is happening to GTA:SA is because there is a group of people somewhere out there that ACTUALLY DOES think sex is worse than murder. Why else would this happen???

I find this sickening. Probably the same people who dish out longer jail sentences to prostitutes than murderers.
07-23-2005 04:46 PM
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To Jack Thompson and Hilary Clinton and to all who supports them.

Heres my reply...

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, the game for keeps not for fun"

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07-23-2005 05:29 PM
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Ok, this story is really getting out of hand.
I heard a drunk 30 or so year old at Garfields (the resturant) telling someone who I took to be his mom (she looked 70, hopefully he wasn't dating her) about the San Andreas thing. I usually don't eavesdrop, but as a member of the video-game media, well, I listened. Here's what I can remember.

"So did you hear about that game they're taking off store shelves (coughing). Apperantly the developers only hid a sex scene in it, and a hacker went through, pulled it out (more coughing), and then sold it all over the internet. Now the guys who rate the games, something like the ASRE, decided that it was too sexual, and since the company didn't show it to them as part of the rating, decided that they had to make it so only people 18 and older could get it."
(At this point I almost threw a fork at him, and I lost what he said. So after a minute of plotting his painful demise, I listened again.)
"So I decided to see how bad this really was, because it's a videogame for Christ's sake, I never thought it'd actually show the main character having sex with his girlfriend. The same guy apperently made a "nude girls" mod or something, and the girls had no clothes on the whole time, even when they were in public!"

At this point my food came and I "accidently" flicked a fry at him. He was too drunk to know though. I don't remember exactly what he said, but I know it was really close to that.
07-23-2005 05:45 PM
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"Question: Is there anyone here who is offended by sex? If so, are you offended by sex MORE than you are offended by murder? The only reason this is happening to GTA:SA is because there is a group of people somewhere out there that ACTUALLY DOES think sex is worse than murder. Why else would this happen???"

Hillary Clinton thinks it's worse, why else would Bill have had to look else where?
07-23-2005 06:45 PM
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Fuck hiliary clition She just wents to be seen and Jack thompson is just some fat prick.
07-23-2005 07:16 PM
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This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in relation to Grand Theft Auto. They completely pass all of the violence, and go for some code that R* left in. Sex is natural, violence isn't. So why jump on the sex but ignore the violence? The violence is supposed to be in there anyway! The sex can only be unlocked with a mod or a third-party device. I'd rather have no one jump on either, but it just really makes no sense.
07-23-2005 07:36 PM
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I've alway thought that that Grand Theft Auto series was great. I remember the first day I play Grand Theft Auto Vice City, Killing people, blowing up cars, and running people over. I don't care about some dumb sex mini game hidden in Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, it all about violence. I am not saying that violence is good. It's just entertaining in the Grand Theft Auto Series. But, who care about that sex game (oh, wait ESRB does) that's not what Grand Theft Auto Is about. Come on, it just a video game (that's very fun). It's just the people who do crimes and blame Grand Theft Auto that make it bad. (Remember Violent games can't make you do violent stuff, it is you who chosses that opition to do that not the game).
07-23-2005 08:22 PM
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I hope Rockstar gets there act together for the next Grand Theft Auto, because they need to be that rockstar before Grand Theft Auto San Andreas and make games were they didn't put crime & sex together. Make those good crime games like Grand Theft Auto Vice City. I think if you have to put sex in a crime video game the game must suck that much to that it. Rockstar don't be like that, make those good crime video games like you used to.

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07-23-2005 09:18 PM
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What you guys are doing is sharing personal opinions.

ESRB does NOT care there is a sex mini-game either. They just care that the game was placed in the wrong rating, and rockstar knew about it but did not saying anything.

ESRB does not care if people 18 or older play the minigame 24hours a day, they just care is people bellow the age of 18 years do play it.
07-23-2005 09:20 PM
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gtaperson, Vice City had as much, if not more sex than San Andreas, so I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. GTA3 had a great deal to.
07-23-2005 10:07 PM
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Why does society keep locking our body away ( Sorry if i sound confuseing.. Trying to write this correctly and make sense )

I mean...You thinka bout it... The last 50 years Our Natural selfs....our sexualities and body parts have been categorised into something BAD...The NAUGHTY Stuff.

Wonder why there is so many rapes?

So many pedofiles?

So many children confused about sex?

13 year old Girls having babies?


This censerorship bull.Sh!T!

and you fu ken useless Parents who cant teach your children about themselves and this deteriorating Society

There is nothing Wrong with sex... I dont enjoy watching people having it but there is nothing wrong with it and it shouldn't be put as something perverted or bad


hiliary clition..... You are lame

Soccer Moms.... Learn how to parent your children.
07-23-2005 10:26 PM
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Did anyone read about how Jack went after "The Sims 2" because of the blur that features penises, vaginas, pubic hair, and breasts? It was a funny article and I wonder if Jack knows how much of a dumbass he sounds like when he talks. Most of what he said never made sense cause he kept contradicting himself.
07-23-2005 10:53 PM
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green18fan, What I mean when I say Vice City didn't have sex, well it didn't. I don't mean Sexual Content-I mean sex (What made GTASA turn to Adults Only +18). Just like the sex mini game found in GTASA.
07-24-2005 06:46 AM
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But it wasn't really in the game, just on the disk. It was never meant to be found.
07-24-2005 08:52 AM
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Well.. this sucks balls. All the retailers have taken GTASA off the shelves. Atleast thats what I heard.
07-24-2005 03:48 PM
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Australia dosnt have a R or AO rating for GAMES here so were perty much F'd..
07-24-2005 04:05 PM
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Yeah, I heard about The Sims 2. He claims that you can see sims private parts, but guess what? You don't. He is now going after EA for allowing mods for naked sims. This guy is rediculous.

If he is going after The Sims 2 now, where the most violent thing you can do is fight in a dust cloud, one thing is now clear to me completely. Jack was just using violence as a way to attack GTA and get money.
07-24-2005 04:36 PM
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hes just a jackass
07-24-2005 06:12 PM
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For those who still worry about not getting Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, you can still get it. What I said in a earlier post on this topic. Just type in "Rockstar Warehouse" in the search engine. Or you can go to http://www.rockstargames.com and on the right you will see a TV like object with buttons under the screen (Left, Select, and right). Use the left and right arrows under the screen until you hit "Merchandise". Then hit select (Under the screen). You probaly know what to do after that. You can buy the PC, PS2, and Xbox versions there. For those who own Grand Theft Auto San Andreas you didn't need to read this. (I had nothing else to do so thats why I wrote this).

[ post edited 07-24-2005 06:23 PM by gtaperson ]
07-24-2005 06:16 PM
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I have heard that Rockstar will realease a Mature rated Grand Theft Auto San Andreas this Fall and will have the hidden game Blocked/Removed. I don't know if that is true but I have been hearing it on News websites. I hope it is true because I miss the Mature rated San Andreas.
07-24-2005 07:50 PM
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I don't understand why they are going nuts about some sex look at The Guy Game!!! The whole game is about sex and they sell it at game stop, and what about Leisure Suit Larry and Playboy Mansion which are both sold at gamestop too! you know i really hate living in dream world where they can pick on one thing and ignore the rest of the stuff in the same field. bahhhh
07-25-2005 09:50 AM
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I think the reason why they sell those games is because it not as big as GTA and no one really care about them. Stores like best buy don't want people thinking, "oh that store sells Grand Theft Auto so that store is now bad". I just think that they don't want to get involved with anything bad, if you know what I am saying. Plus Walmart quoted "We do not sell games rated AO". Leisure Suit Larry, Playboy the Mansion, and The Guy Game cleary rated Mature on the box. (But if you are Talking about Leisure Suit Larry Uncut & Uncensored-I think that's the name- that one is rated Adults Only and I think you can only buy online). But you do have a point about how there not talking about those games (GTA). Look for one of my eariler post on this topic, those games I show there are very violent & Sexual. (the date on that post is 7-22-05 at 12:19PM go look for it). Plus it even has the descriptors for those games on that post too.

[ post edited 07-25-2005 12:59 PM by gtaperson ]
07-25-2005 11:23 AM
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Bet they will make the older verison 18+ and the new one 17+
07-25-2005 04:03 PM
King
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Liesure suit Larry and Playboy Mansion are both rated "M" and jack doesnt seem to care about them enough
07-25-2005 05:26 PM
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Leisure Suit Larry Uncut & Uncensored, is alot worst than the regular Leisure Suit Larry. The game is rated Adults Only+18. If that isn't bad look at these bad games: Conker Live & Reloaded-Mature-7 Descriptors-Blood & Gore, Intense Violence, Mature Humor, Sexual Themes, Strong Language, Use of Drugs,and Use of Alcohol. Plus The Getaway Black Monday-Mature-6 Descriptors-Blood, Drug Reference, Intense Violence, Nudity, Sexual Themes, and Strong Language.
07-25-2005 05:52 PM
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Its ok though cause that doesnt matter to jack only GTA. (i fucking hate him!)
07-25-2005 08:18 PM
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Well, what are you gonna do? Those people only go after the top selling violent game try to bring down. There always gonna be people you hate, your gonna have to avoid them or deal with them that's the only way.
07-25-2005 09:17 PM
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You gota love True Crime: Streets of LA... they haven't touched that game....
07-25-2005 10:46 PM
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Maybe some day they will go after other video game like- Truecrime, The Getaway Way Black Monday, Leisure Suit Larry Uncut & Uncensored, Playboy the Mansion, Conker Live & Reloaded, Postal 2 games like that. Those game range from Mature-Adults Only. You know what, why are they not going after Conker Live & Reloaded. Come on, it's Mature Rated but has 7 descriptors. That alot worst than Grand Theft Auto. The game is base on a squirrel who shots creatrues, drinks, smokes, swears. I was watch the game being played it show conker barfing on the ground, now thats sick. And for what, see a less inappropriate game like Grand Theft Auto San Andreas change to Adults Only. I now I have said this alot in other posts, but look at these descriptors-Blood & Gore, Intense Violence, Mature Humor, Sexual Themes, Strong Language, Use of Drugs, Use of Alcohol. Now think about those descriptors, and put a squirrel name Conker as the main character who does all those things. Grand Theft Auto has gangsters in it but that a squirrel! doing all those things. There something wrong with ESRB if they have to have Grand Theft Auto San Andreas rated Adults Only, and Conker Live & Reloaded rated Mature. They even said that Conker Live & Reloaded wasn't even better than Conker Bad Fur Day for N64. And that was 5 years ago! This alot to say about one game, but that all I have to say. To visit that site go to http://www.microsoft.com/games/conker/microsite/index.htm to see how bad this game really is (look down in bottom right corner of the site).

[ post edited 07-27-2005 10:02 AM by gtaperson ]
07-26-2005 12:05 PM
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vote here to help save gta http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/keith19-about69.html
07-26-2005 06:32 PM
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This is either the post with the most messages in it or the one of the best. Hot Topic though wow.

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07-26-2005 09:06 PM
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Anyone see the new article they posted at gamespot about the government getting involved and jack thompson making the situation worse?
07-27-2005 04:03 AM
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If you want more information on Adults Only +18 rating put in effect visit
http://www.rockstargames.com/sanandreas/pc/ or http://www.esrb.org/ then go to search for game ratings at ESRB site (just scroll down to get to it). then type in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas exactly I how wrote it here.

[ post edited 07-27-2005 09:35 AM by gtaperson ]
07-27-2005 09:34 AM
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lastnight I saw the commercial for GTASA xbox and it said for Adults Only.. I never thought that I would see a video game commercial with the rating AO...

It's time to lock and load..we're going after this guy...

[ post edited 07-27-2005 02:13 PM by GTT ]
07-27-2005 02:02 PM
 

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