Monday, March 28th, 2005
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Immersion Gains Legal Victory Against Sony

GTAGaming.com - General News | @ 04:18 AM MDT | By Neil
Since 2002, Immersion Corporation (manufacturers of vibrating gaming technology) have been fighting Sony Computer Entertainment through the courts, arguing that Sony's Dual Shock controllers infringe on patents filed by Immersion before Dual Shock was sold for the first time.

The order, from a California court, forces Sony to pay $90.7Million directly to Immersion for patent infringement. This comes only a few months after a Federal court awarded $82Million in Immersion's favour in September 2004.

However, this time Immersion have won an even greater battle. An injunction is now in force which prevents sales of Dual Shock Controllers (and the Playstation consoles they are bundled with) and around 40 software products including Grand Theft Auto III and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City in the United States.

The injunction is withheld while Sony appeals against it. Sony can continue to sell these products while a court is considering their appeal.

This is the second blow of recent weeks to Sony. Just last week, they launched their Playstation Portable platform and found a much lower level of public interest than they had expected. Store managers have reported having up to 90% of their allocated units still on shelves, which clearly hampers the company's hopes of selling its first million consoles as quickly as possible.

Source: Joystiq
Source: BusinessWeek
Source: engadget
Source: Japan Today
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HBK
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wtf ?? what does this supposed to mean (yay first post)
03-28-2005 04:25 AM
Neil
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It means that Sony are not allowed to sell Dual Shock Controllers in the USA any more. They're also not allowed to grant licences to publishers for games which are stated in the lawsuit, including GTA3 and Vice City.

They're appealing so the ban won't come into force just yet.
03-28-2005 04:27 AM
zPuP
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So can the PS3 be delayed?Can we see the next GTA on Xbox?
03-28-2005 04:47 AM
Dgtadude
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Clearing up :
Yes GTA Will come to Xbox and PC , Since it does not use DualShock technology.
And i guess we just wont see ps1's , ps2's, and 40 other ps2 games on store shelves, these removed games also include GTA:3 and GTAVC, So ... Kiddies , if ur game is scratched i advice u run to the store today and snag ur copy A.S.A.P !

Altough i think sony might do some changing to make this better, like a updated version of the game without DualShock ....
03-28-2005 05:12 AM
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"So can the PS3 be delayed?Can we see the next GTA on Xbox?"

think he means GTA4, and no i doubt it will move to xbox. It will stay with sony for now.
03-28-2005 05:50 AM
HBK
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"It means that Sony are not allowed to sell Dual Shock Controllers in the USA any more. They're also not allowed to grant licences to publishers for games which are stated in the lawsuit, including GTA3 and Vice City.

They're appealing so the ban won't come into force just yet."


uuuuh ok
03-28-2005 06:09 AM
Braderz
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Does this mean that GTA will go on to the PC sooner than half a year after the PS2 version (if they make one)
03-28-2005 06:23 AM
Lao Boy
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Wow, wtf Immersion, thanks for costing Sony millions+ for a damn dual shock patent.
03-28-2005 06:30 AM
Juroki
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im just curious, why cant they sell daulshock controllers anymore? what does dualshock controllers do that made them non-sellable and get a lawsuit? and why the hell did they band gta3 and gta vice city?? do they still think that games make people do crimes and s**t? seriusly, do they ever think that movies, abuse, wars, neo nazis crap, and raceses s**t like the kkk, or just phycopathic thinking that makes them go do stuff like that? Plz answer me in 10years when they say "ohhhhhhh, thats what made them do all that" id just love to say "haha told ya so!"

Juroki
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P.S. sorry for the typos. also thats just what im thinking when i keep hearing stupid things like this.

[ post edited 03-28-2005 06:43 AM by Juroki ]
03-28-2005 06:41 AM
HBK
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well same here
03-28-2005 06:44 AM
Ibram Gaunt
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Juroki, if you took time to read the article you would understand.

Immersion sued Sony for using DualShock technology in their controllers because they believe they patented it first.

GTA's are not being baned because of violence, I presume it because they use DualShock Technology?

All in all, Immersion are a bit selfish.
03-28-2005 07:17 AM
Lao Boy
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Yeah, it's not some Jack Thompson bullshit, it's becuase there banning all the games that use Dual Shock technology which includes GTA III and Vice City.
03-28-2005 07:22 AM
Juroki
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ok, but what dose it mean if its patented? and whats wrong with having dualshock tech.?

Juroki
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03-28-2005 07:38 AM
HBK
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hey guys i think immersion r havin a lil money probleme becuz noone buys from them dualshock items so they became jealous and had this idea to sue sony thats what i think
03-28-2005 07:44 AM
HBK
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"""""Yeah, it's not some Jack Thompson bull****, it's becuase there banning all the games that use Dual Shock technology which includes GTA III and Vice City."""""
well y dont they ban san andreas ?
03-28-2005 07:46 AM
joe_zombie
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If they ban all games that use Dual Shock, won't that mean the fall of Ps2??? All ps2 games are made to be played with Dual Shock....
03-28-2005 08:28 AM
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Well if it was a bit cheaper the PSP might be doing better.

As for the whole controller thing, this is bullshit. I wonder what Sony will do for PS3 controllers without the force feedback motors. A humming controller?
03-28-2005 09:18 AM
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I think Sony has good lawyers for problems like this. And they still can appeal the curt decision. Even if they lose, they can buy the rights from Immersion, they can make new versions of the games without using the dualshock technology and they can develop new types of controllers.
03-28-2005 11:12 AM
Neil
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Ah but do Sony have enough money to do that? Rumour has it that they're spiralling in debt.
03-28-2005 11:30 AM
HBK
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i think that sony has enough money they can undo the bill
03-28-2005 11:40 AM
100%SaNaNdReAs!!!!!!!!!!!
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dudes dunt tell me u all live in the usa coz well tht really sucks coz here in canada i didnt here of this at all man tht must suck badly
03-28-2005 12:03 PM
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"So can the PS3 be delayed?Can we see the next GTA on Xbox?"

Chances are this will be cleared up long before PS3 comes out, and if rumors are right PS3 is going to be more powerful then the next XBox, so I think Rockstar North/Take Two will stay were they are, and follow the same way they are doing things now.

"ok, but what dose it mean if its patented? and whats wrong with having dualshock tech.?"

It means that immersion owned the rights to the dualshock tech and Sony did not ask to use it in there controllers, either way sony will most likely make some kind of new dual shock technology or buy the rights to it from Immersion.

"As for the whole controller thing, this is bull****. I wonder what Sony will do for PS3 controllers without the force feedback motors. A humming controller? "

PS3 controllers will either feature the same kind of tech or will feature a different kind of tech, nothing will change in terms of output, patant infringements happen alot in big business affairs, this is what Sony has lawyers for.

[ post edited 03-28-2005 12:37 PM by jaxs ]
03-28-2005 12:27 PM
Valikai
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Hmmm, thats surprises me about the PSP, i thought it would be as big as hell when it came out
03-28-2005 03:08 PM
Lao Boy
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Well, PSP never really advertised on TV (right?) mostly on the Interweb and so people dont really get into it, but alot of people at my school know and want it.
03-28-2005 04:32 PM
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Yeah they just started showing the PSP add not too long ago. I took mine to school today and a hell of a lot of people thought it was amazing and really want one now. It just needs time for people to realize what its capabilities are.
03-28-2005 06:06 PM
Lt.Loco
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Omg, this is bad...Words can't decribe how pissed I am right now.
03-28-2005 06:33 PM
autosol
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That sux! Well well hope everyting goes as it should with ps3!
03-28-2005 07:02 PM
balegar
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crap, jack thompson must be really happy with this
03-28-2005 09:43 PM
gta-expert
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Whey do they have to drag the game publishers into this? It's not there fault that sony has copyright problems, they were just taking advantage of the technology available to them for their games.
03-28-2005 09:49 PM
fastlane912
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Wow....will Sony go Bankrupt??? That a lot of $$$$$!!!!!!
03-28-2005 10:18 PM
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WOW!!!!! Dude that sucks this literally screws sony over, if that appeal does not make it then they are toast! Dude so does this render all of the titles besides the 40 as, uhhh i guess injuncted! I mean the Dual Shock Controller is THE MAIN CONTROLLER! Is this the fall of Sony? I mean really, this is gonna be a deep wound. Lets hope they can come up with something new. Oh yeah, so will this render my Dual Shock illegal if the appeal is overthrown?
03-28-2005 11:08 PM
Alpha-Raptor
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well looks like sonys f**ked and so is rockstar as well as gt4 since it uses duel shock
03-28-2005 11:48 PM
Hyper Death
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Holy Sh|t! And my Dual Shock controller just broke! God I hope The Gamesman still sells them...

[ post edited 03-29-2005 01:56 AM by Hyper Death ]
03-29-2005 01:54 AM
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YAY...HA HA PS2...XBOX AND PC WILL STILL B SELLING SAN ANDREAS...

anyway...sony wil buy dem...think bout how rich sony is...

wat dus xbox use?
03-29-2005 06:03 AM
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poor sony.....Bill gates stole the coding for windows....he wont he law suit because the guy didnt have enough evidence. now the guy has the evidence but cant take bill to court. If he had won the first time hed be the billgates we know now. Bill gates = evil. lol . I feel bad for sony...really..
03-29-2005 06:24 AM
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Hahahahaha, So Sony's having trouble selling PSPs. I'll help you on one thing, LOWER THE DAMN PRICE! They're way too expensive...
03-29-2005 08:15 AM
GTT
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xbox uses the same technology, but they got away with it.
03-29-2005 12:12 PM
JS
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Well I still have my old PS1 Dual Shock and PS2 one but ban them I give this a MAJOR WTF!!! I love daul shock guess I will have to get them in the black market... and for the love of god I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE MAKESTUPID LAWS CAUSE OF GTA GAHHH!!! I AM MAD!!! But if the next on goes on PC I will be happ you know better graphics and control but I like playing it on my PS2 I played A PS1 since I was 8 with a dual shock now its banned what the hell. anyway I hope who ever passed this gets there car wrecked

[ post edited 03-29-2005 02:31 PM by JS ]
03-29-2005 02:04 PM
Neil
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Microsoft settled the case out of court with Immersion for $20million. They also paid $6million for a 10% stake in Immersion. So, some of Sony's $90million will find its way into Microsoft's hands.
03-29-2005 03:15 PM
fastlane912
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like micorsoft needs more money.......
03-29-2005 05:13 PM
JS
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Agree bill gates that rich bastard...
*gets blue screen on computer* ........
03-29-2005 05:21 PM
cyrix
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What's even more interesting is that time and time again they were denied their claims (imersion)then whaddya know? They got lucky. They found a judge to agree with them.

What a crock of shit.

Sony will not go bankrupt. Sony is in less debt than nintendo is and nintendo is fine. Every company has some debt, usually a good amount. Trust me, they have more than enough cash.

[ post edited 03-29-2005 06:45 PM by cyrix ]
03-29-2005 06:39 PM
Lao Boy
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'well looks like sonys f**ked and so is rockstar as well as gt4 since it uses duel shock'
Wow your have no commen sense, they would use another technolgy its not like Dual Shock will destroy it.
03-29-2005 06:59 PM
GTA Mike
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it's not like 90.7 million is going to even dent sony
03-29-2005 09:50 PM
sanandreashalo
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this is just BS. This company sued Microsoft 2 years ago over the same crap, and you can still buy Xboxes of course, so Im not worried about Playstations disappearing. Its just bs They just want Sony's money especially with the red hot PSP they know sony has a lot of money.
03-29-2005 09:55 PM
GTA Mike
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psp isnt red hot, not even close, there sales in north america were no were close to what they expected
03-29-2005 10:56 PM
cyrix
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Yeah the claims that every PSP was preordered was a bunch of hoo haa.
03-29-2005 11:05 PM
air_boy75
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sales sucked coz most people spent their cash on the slimline..why did they launch both same time? doenst make sense...its sad but i think they are getting a bit desprate
03-30-2005 03:10 AM
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Okay okay.. I got a plan. All complain to Immension and if they are still homo's. Then we all go on GTA Rampages. " Mission, You must retrieve the Dual Shock controllers from the evil empire "Immension". Nah it's all cool, just let the bastards ruin our fun. Meh we'll throw rocks at there cars. ( There loss )
03-30-2005 05:29 AM
Lao Boy
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They had to release the Slim PS2 at the time because of Xbox 2 rumoured coming out later this year, also with the PSP sony should've advertised it on T.V. more but they stuck to the internet, and they had to release a handheld since Nintendo is just throwing more out there.

[ post edited 03-30-2005 05:53 AM by Lao Boy ]
03-30-2005 05:49 AM
cyrix
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The release of the PStwo shouldn't have affected the sales of the PSP. They were released far enough apart.
03-30-2005 11:28 AM
Neil
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I really don't see where the comparisions of PS2 and PSP come in.. one is a portable and one is a home console.

And as for Microsoft, they PAID money to ensure that the legal proceedings went no further and at the same time bought shares in the company.
03-30-2005 11:46 AM
Ladios
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wah thats not fare!!!
(I FINALLY BEAT SAN ANDREAS)
03-30-2005 02:18 PM
JS
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Tons of people are saying different things about this story so I am confuesed
sony steals design back from 97 and some people who made the idea sue them and now we can't play stuff with dualshock until new design is made???
and for PSP I am not impressed by portable stuff now Just PC and PS2
03-30-2005 02:27 PM
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damn the little f*kers only because they havent got enough money to feed their famalies anyway sony should buy out immersion and then start sueing bill gates for fun until his bathroom goes from gold to silver that will p*ss on his big black box hahahahhaha nyways psp is great ive already know like 100 people who are gonna get one when they come out in england and does this effect everyone world wide or just the us if it dosent yay
03-30-2005 02:43 PM
Neil
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Currently it's just the USA, but Immersion could take up a similar case in other areas of the world.
03-30-2005 03:18 PM
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Neil UNBANNED ME
03-30-2005 03:36 PM
turner
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i hope they dont sony might have to bring out new technology that gives you a little electrical shock when something bad happens so it fells like youve been hurt aswell as the person e.g if u get shot you will feel a electric shock it mioght sound stupid bu it could work
03-30-2005 04:59 PM
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The television news said that the 1 million PSP in the US were sold out. If not, I bet they will fly off shelves when Rockstar announces when the GTA PSP game will be released, you know that.... I bought the PS2 last year in May, based on the announcement of San Andreas on PS2 in October. I just killed Polaski in the High Noon mission, I still havent beaten the game. Hopefully I will by the time the Xbox version comes out in June.
03-30-2005 05:50 PM
gtaguy112
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Unbanned me please
03-30-2005 07:22 PM
GTT
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if your banned, how can you still be posting message?
03-30-2005 09:50 PM
pyehac
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Why have they waited this long to come out with this?

Companies are just out there to sue and get money off of everything they do.
03-31-2005 01:24 AM
gtaguy112
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GTT i have spicel powers so some one unbanned me
03-31-2005 10:48 AM
GTT
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wow gtaguy112 :P
03-31-2005 01:25 PM
easy-e
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sorry for actin like a noob but what does dual shock do to your controller? and does this mean i can sell my dual shock for a lot of money???? haha
03-31-2005 02:52 PM
turner
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makes it vibrate with two spinning things where you hold it
03-31-2005 03:46 PM
Street Thug
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I dont know if i commented yet but cool
03-31-2005 04:44 PM
fudgster98
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Whoever doesn't have a copy once gta is banned, buy it in Canada.
04-02-2005 08:15 AM
sanandreashalo
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gta will never be banned, just because of one stupid greedy lawyer whacko jacko thompson. Now that I think about it, he kinda reminds me of Mike Toreno bastard in san andreas
04-02-2005 01:37 PM
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San andreas halo aer you the kid with teh topic "i need i wish i pray for gta" or whateevere it was
04-02-2005 06:35 PM
fastlane912
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GTA wont ever be ban becasue it makes too much money to stop shipping to the us
04-03-2005 02:31 PM
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I think they should just go in a room and have a word with themselves!
04-03-2005 03:19 PM
 

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