Saturday, March 5th, 2005
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Violent Video Games Row - The Political Solutions

GTAGaming.com - General News | @ 04:01 AM CST | By Neil
With the increasing media coverage of M-Rated video games and their alleged links to crimes of murder, theft and sexual assault, US politicians have decided it's their turn to try to do something to curb the problem. Arkansas Senator Shawn Womack introduced a bill, which could see M-Rated games having a legal requirement of being displayed on shelves at least five feet from the floor in the state. Penalties are minimal, with offenders receiving a $500 fine straight from the Arkansas Department of Health.
The second piece of legislature is a bill that would see video games companies held responsible if an act of violence is caused by a minor playing an M-Rated video game which they developed.
"A person may maintain an action for personal injury or wrongful death against a manufacturer or retailer of violent video or computer games if the manufacturer or retailer has distributed, sold, or rented a violent video or computer game to a person under the age of seventeen and the game was a factor in creating conditions that assisted or encouraged the person to cause injury or death to another person."
-- House Bill 2178

However, this bill appears only to be moving the blame from the person who commits the crime in the first place. If this bill were introduced, Courts must take into account that whether or not a videogame influenced it, a crime has been commited and sentencing should be made appropriately. In my opinion, the blame is in the wrong place. The video games companies do not give anyone the means to commit a violent act - the relatively free availability of firearms in the United States contributes to this greatly. Until gun laws are tightened in the country, the unfortunate trend may be towards further acts of violence and wrongful blame against games companies, who have a right to express theirselves in any way they wish.

Thanks to: Gamespot
PDF: House Bill 2178
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Hyper Death
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Fan-fucking-tastic... Now anyone who commits any sort of crime what so ever'll be like 'GTA made me do it!!1' And get off scot-free. While Jack Tompson Laughs it up all the way to courthouse to sue the shit out of Rockstar!
03-05-2005 04:45 AM
OkComputer
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Couldn't agree more Neil, the US governments influance slves things in a rather unjust and violent way, when i went over, i noticed how they are the most paraniod country i have ever seen. It is mind-boggeling how the government potrays such a violent image, and still eexpect there country to run smoothly.
03-05-2005 05:00 AM
zPuP
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I'll just get my mom to get San Andreas for pc for me its no big deal.But it is crap that they listen to the jerk Jack and not us.
03-05-2005 07:09 AM
oriental wok
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damn those who blame GTA for their crimes! what about the other millions of people who play it and dont go nuts?
03-05-2005 09:59 AM
GoriLLA89
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great jsut what we feared would happen...if you make game makers liable then m-rated titles will be toned down if not dissappear...thought i like that the court has to find that the game actualy infulenced the crime.

still this is jsut so stupid...they did it with beavis and butt-head they tried to do it with mortal kombat. i'm sick of it...sick sick sick sick of this when any sane thinking person knows there is no corrilation. besides...it takes the blame off the real bad people. the parents who boutgh the games for their brats in the first place. it's aparents responsiblility to monitor what your kids do and alot of parents jsut let the video games and t.v. be the baby sitter then stff liek this happenes supirse suprise. we need to be throwing parents in jail too.
03-05-2005 11:15 AM
fastlane912
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Why is the video game at blame? It's some of the F****** insane people that play it and get ideas to hurt people.
03-05-2005 11:30 AM
evacuator
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"which could see M-Rated games having a legal requirement of being displayed on shelves at least five feet from the floor in the state."

-are they lost? any 12 years old kid could reach that. Why don't they just put the M-rated games into a glass box for showing and keep the supplies in the back-room. That would stop atleast me from reaching them.
03-05-2005 11:56 AM
DanKill
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Hmmm... Seems this will never stop( As you say there are a lot of things that guide to crimes in US and in all countries. But they just want to see the effect of video games as the reason of all those crimes. Why? Because it's easy. Why restricting guns, drugs etc.? Why making educational programs? Why make the parents teach their sons whats bad and good? Why creating new jobs? It takes time, a lot of money and resources. The politicians always try the easy way, the way that will give them more points on elections, just that. So it'll be always the same. Sad... The games already have M-rating, now watch that the fathers take care of their sons, is their responsibility not the companies.
03-05-2005 12:09 PM
Juroki
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Dam people its simple. Put the games on display in a glass case, the supplies in the back, card anyone who buys it.

Its clearly marked as a Mature game. Any idiot who thinks they can do what a bunch of little pixels can do, is a f***ing moron.

Lets say a 13 year old kid with a abusive past (who played gta once) went to a am-pm and robbed it, its not his fault he did it, its gta's and rockstars fault. Right like all of a sudden when he was playing gta for the first time, the screen went black, the phone rang and someone from rockstar told him to go rob a gas station....

now come on people how stupid is that? Come on you stupid kids! its a F***ing game theres no connection between the game and reality. A game did not make you do a crime, it was ur stupidness and moronic thoughts that did. So dam get a life.

Well thats all i have to say
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03-05-2005 12:28 PM
fastlane912
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I couldn't agree more
03-05-2005 12:52 PM
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03-05-2005 01:07 PM
GTA Mike
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5 feet from the ground, what the hell
03-05-2005 01:36 PM
Sleepernaut
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Oh,great,more bull crap to shovel.
03-05-2005 01:59 PM
GTT
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there's far more violent games then GTA. So...blame DOOM 3 or Half-Life 2 for their crime.
03-05-2005 01:59 PM
GoriLLA89
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it's a doubel edge sword on on hand peopel should always be carded like they do with cigerettes but man most 7-11's post that they card and i don't always look my age have i ever really been carded nope.

i think making them back room rather then 5 feet off the groudn is smart cause yes 12 year olds can reach that and if then kid isn't carded and his mum isn't watching him buy it the clearks don't care there is no accoutnabliity. and the smae thing goes for the dumb ass parents that buy their kids these things without readign labels. i'm a parent and i tkae my responisbility seriously i monitor what my son watches and plays. and so far he has been very good because i do my job as a parent.
03-05-2005 02:05 PM
christianrrf
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i think those horible and miserables games about world war 2 where you can only be an assasin american marine to safe the entire world are for me more violents than GTA besides those games are stupid because they call for real violent situation World Wars!! oh how i hate so much those war games. vice city is the best game of my life and i am not going to stop playing it. I know that there are some racial offenses but i think that everyone is involved. but i dont play it because of that i jut play it for fun, specially to kill policemen haha. and when i see a police kicking a black guy i kill the police with the basuka.
03-05-2005 03:52 PM
Zachnorn
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Doom 3 and Half Life 2 are more violent, but I don't think you can do some of the things in those games that you could do in GTA. Shooting cops, blowing up crowds of people, stealing cars in a city, etc.

The game companies should not be held responcible. It is stupid, did the company tell the player to take a gun and murder someone in real life? Nope. If anyone should be held responcible, it is the parents for letting their kids play games like GTA if they don't know whats right and wrong, and maybe the stores as well. I have heard of 9 year olds buying Vice City at a Target or some other place, and just walking out without being carded. Vice City is a great game, but 9 year olds shouldn't be able to buy it.
03-05-2005 04:11 PM
GTT
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Yeah I know Zachnorn. But they should blame Doom 3 or Half Life 2 if the person thinks everyone in town/city is a monster/alien and starts shooting at everyone.

If their going to do something about violent games, they should look at pure violent games like (Doom 3, Half Life 2, etc.)
03-05-2005 06:53 PM
sanandreashalo
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shoot to kill, play to thrill. the purpose of playing these video games is to have fun and do it in the game not out in real life on the streets. the lawyers know that rockstar games have so much money cause the games are so popular.If you are under 17 and your parents let you play san andreas, well who is to blame for that? The M for Mature rating is more like M for Murder, or M for Money for Rockstar Games hahahaha lol
03-05-2005 07:31 PM
Azza_GTA
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How can it be the retailers fault that a guy killed someone and blames it on GTA
03-05-2005 08:29 PM
specter
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ok Im sick of this. Alot of crimes ARE inspired by pop culture ok? Yes, impressionable people who play them will be influenced. why this is so hard to accept I have no clue. Its not like the suspects get off any easier by saying something influenced them. Not everyone is influenced, but alot are. Honestly I think the bill is a good idea to keep it away from minors.
03-05-2005 09:48 PM
gta-expert
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What ever happened to crazy? Now you can just blame your way out of mental illness and get off the hook. If you look back through the years you will find that they blamed drug use on music in the 70's, movies for violence in the 80's, music for violence in the 90's, and video games now. The point is, is that there will always be the media to blame if nothing else, and lawers now that and that is how its gonna be. AND IT SUCKS A$$ FOR US!
03-05-2005 10:17 PM
GTA-Raptor
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They should only be able to sue retailer... R* doesnt sell the games to minors. And why not blame the dipshit parents for haveing guns in the reach of the kids?!
03-05-2005 10:24 PM
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oh my fuckin god
5 feet?
i was five feet tall when i was 9 thats not gonna solve it
jesus christ monkey balls
i bet u a million this senator is republican
goddamn
its the parents fault not Rockstar and the retailers
03-05-2005 10:58 PM
Zachnorn
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If the retailer knowingly sells an M rated game to someone under 17 and they commit murder, they should have some blame. Most blame to the parents, though.
03-05-2005 11:42 PM
GTA Mike
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you should blame the parents, all the video game stores i go to are very good about not selling m rated games to under 17's without parents, its the parents fault for letting the child get the game
03-06-2005 01:09 AM
SUX2BU
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there are so many games more violent then the GTAs put together its not even funny
03-06-2005 07:19 AM
DanKill
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The bill doesn't specify any game, it's about all the games rated M. So it's not just against GTA, it's against all violent games. But I don't think they are making the correct steps to stop that influence of violent games. 5 feets, retailers and developers responsibility all this is sh*t! What are they going to stop with things like that??? Did they think that would prevent kids buy a game? NO. The could ask anyone to to buy it for them, that's all. The problem is in education, and no bill like that will solve it, the problem is in guns laws and it also didn't solve it, the problem is in parents, and this bill hasn't solved this too. So it's just another politicians useless action.
03-06-2005 01:15 PM
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That bill is way too vague, at best all it does is try to blame retailers and manufacturers for the mistakes and actions of both the kid and the parents. I was raised with video-games all my life and you dont see me highjacking a car, grabbing a gat and mowing down the prostitues on 6th street. I swear, people should learn to differentiate from reality and fantasy, it is pure logic to do so. Also what the heck is this, i bet the people who have proposed this bill have never even played the GTA series, Doom, Resident Evil and other games that include such " graphics of torture, sexual assault, and killing of women, persons of color, and law enforcement officers", at best they probably watched some kids play a game and laugh when someone died. If this is to be the fate of the United States then the future will be a sheltered society, oh yes but it is fine to show "Cops", "Dog the Bounty Hunter",wrestling in all shapes and forms, "Sex and the City", "The Sopranos" and give them such awards and praise, now i'm not knocking these shows completely i am only providing evidence to shows that video/computer games are not the only factors in behavioral disasters. Oh and yes i registered with this site just to comment on this bill.
03-06-2005 02:50 PM
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In addition to my post i am not directing my blame to all parents and people who play this game. They are only the ones that are too psycho to play the games, and the parents that buy a game for their kid, not know what it is, and then freak out when the game tells the kid to go "whack someone for cash"
03-06-2005 02:56 PM
sanandreashalo
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60 Minutes tonight will talk about Grand Theft Auto being linked with the murders of three people. CBS at 7pm tonight
03-06-2005 04:23 PM
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i came to the conclusion that videogames let the players do what they can't do in real life for being impossible to do or morally insane and not influence or tell the players to commit crimes or jump off a bridge and try to fly.
If theres someone to blame, is the player for not accepting this reallity
03-06-2005 06:26 PM
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"The video games companies do not give anyone the means to commit a violent act - the relatively free availability of firearms in the United States contributes to this greatly. Until gun laws are tightened in the country, the unfortunate trend may be towards further acts of violence and wrongful blame against games companies, who have a right to express theirselves in any way they wish."

I disagree. The problem is not the lax gun laws in the US (there are other countries with lax gun laws and they don't have these problems) The problem lies, IMO, with the Puritanical level of sexual repression and total lack of sexual education in this country. You have a bunch of people who've been raised to believe that having sex is BAD and WRONG and EVIL and they'll go to HELL forever and BURN if they do it. Some do it just to rebel, the rest because they're unaware of the consequences. You have all these people with all this pent-up energy and frustration. All that has to go somewhere, and since their beliefs won't permit them to express themselves freely they go apeshit and do something they shouldn't--rape, murder, hard drugs and other criminal acts. Never mind the ridiculous rate of teen pregnancies we have in the US. This is why the US is the most violent industrialized nation--remember, the US was founded by religious puritans. This goes back to our very roots, and isn't a problem likely to be fixed anytime soon.

Taking firearms away from law-abiding citizens is the WRONG THING to do. In every area gun laws have been restricted, violent crime has gone up. Why? Criminals don't give a shit about the law, they're going to break it regardless, that's why they're CRIMINALS. Meanwhile the normal law-abiding citizen is going to hand over his weapon, making him an easy target. In areas where gun laws are more relaxed, violent crime has for the most part DROPPED.
03-06-2005 07:57 PM
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jwrebholz, thank you. You are one of the only people I know who shares my ideas of restricting gun laws.

If you have any kind of criminal record in the United States, you cannot buy a gun from a retailer, which is where most law abiding citizens (mainly hunters and sportsmen) buy their guns. How many of you accually think a criminal would buy a gun at a local Bi-Mart or gunstore if they had a criminal record? They couldn't. A background check would emedietly deny them the right to own a firearm.

Criminals can get their weapons by other means, which are illegal. AKA the "black market". And weapons you buy off the internet are not always AK-47s and Mac-10s. You can also buy a simple 9mm handgum without a lot of hassle.

So how are the athorities going to put a stop to this? Watch exactly what people look at when they go online? Ha! Yeah right.

Everyone in the world with an internet connection has the potential to pauchase a gun online. So no, it is not the gun laws in the US that have anything to do with our level of crime. In Canada, there is at least one gun in seven out of every ten homes. I can guarentee you that the US is nowhere near that figure.
03-06-2005 08:33 PM
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2 jwrebholz & Piggus
I think Neil means something different. Yes, the criminals can find a lot of other ways to get a weapon, and obviously they are not going to official retailer. But think about law abiding people that have guns in their home, would all of them keep the guns far away from the kids? The shooting in schools some time ago prove that there are parents that don't care about their own sons. I think that is about we were talking here.
03-06-2005 09:30 PM
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So the parent's lack of responsiblity justifies the government to take away the rights of everyone who owns guns? I don't think so.

@Neil: Just because someone lives in the US doesn't mean they get free firearms. It's not that simple. As I said, to purchase a gun you need to go through a background check. And besides, the right to bare arms is protected under the Second Amendment. I assume you know this and the Second Amendment will probably never change.

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03-06-2005 10:18 PM
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Why is everyone attacking GTA?
03-07-2005 08:42 AM
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Piggus: Thank you.
Ladios: Because it's an easy target. Just like rock music was back in the 50s for promoting a "rebelliious lifestyle".

If you still think guns should be restricted further or banned, consider this. Criminals are predators. Human predators. Look at nature. What types of targets do predators traditionally go after? The weak, slow, sick or injured. In other words, the EASIEST ones. Same mentality. If a crook has a choice between attacking an armed citizen or an unarmed one, he'll go after the unarmed one. If he's reasonably sure said citizen is unable to defend himself, he'll attack. If however that criminal thinks there's a good chance that citizen is packing heat, he'll think twice.

Nothing can totally prevent violent crime. The idea is to deter it to the point where it's no longer worth a criminal's effort. That's the whole idea behind security alarms, padlocks and personal weaponry--to make it harder for a criminal to achieve his end.

And don't come back to me regarding gun accidents either. Most of those occurred in areas where some idiot left the weapon loaded, unlocked and in easy access of an inexperienced or uneducated person (usually a kid) and of course the kid plays with it (because the parent 9 times out of 10 has just said "Don't touch that") and of course someone gets shot. If people were taught basic firearm safety rules these accidents would disappear. What are the rules? 1. TREAT EVERY FIREARM AS IF IT IS LOADED. 2. NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT PLAN TO SHOOT. 3. NEVER STORE A FIREARM LOADED. That's it. Not hard at all. Education and proper safety classes are a MUST if you plan to own a firearm. Get a little brains in you and you'll never have a problem. (There are millions of registered gun owners in the US that don't have any trouble every day)
03-07-2005 03:24 PM
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I hate that stupid Jack lawyer, always going after Grand Theft Auto. He knows there is a Mature 17 and over rating on the front of the box, and he admitted its the kids fault for killing 3 people, but he still goes after Take Two Rockstar games.
03-07-2005 05:59 PM
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i dont like this at this rate we not ever see another gta "
03-07-2005 06:47 PM
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This problem with video games is getting wores.
03-08-2005 11:50 AM
SAHelis
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God bless America !
03-08-2005 10:50 PM
bach2tehfuture!11
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this is an outrage look at the thousands (maybe even more) of people who come to this site and others and talk about and play violent video games all the time and they dont go out and kill people or rape people. the people they really should blaming are the people hundreds of years ago that were killing and raping people years before video games. if anything rockstar midway EA team soho and all the others should be suing the people hundreds of years ago for puting ideas like that in their heads god damn it.
03-09-2005 02:37 AM
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This bill won't be passed, I'm almost certain of that.
03-10-2005 09:21 AM
 

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