Wednesday, May 5th, 2004
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Frontline Scotland: Vice City

GTAGaming.com - General News | @ 10:46 AM CST | By Neil
Frontline Scotland: Vice City aired on BBC ONE Scotland last night, and I must say, I'm impressed. The programme presented a balanced analysis of the effects of Vice City, and video games in general, on people's behaviour. While some of the information contained in the show wasn't very recent, it presented it in the fairest way possible, featuring interviews with those opposed to the game and those who claim there is no link between violent video games and violent behaviour.
One person opposed to the game is Jack Thomson, a Miami Attorney representing the victims of shootings in which a man was killed and a woman was injured in Tennessee in 2003. The shootings were allegedly caused by the perpetrators playing Rockstar North's first 3D title in the series, Grand Theft Auto III. Mr Thomson is currently engaged in multiple lawsuits against many of those involved in developing and distributing the game, including Rockstar North/Games.

However, Rockstar Games declined to be interviewed for the programme, and instead, the Entertainment Software Association dismissed any possible link between violent video games and violent behavior.
"The notion that they don't know right from wrong, that they don't know that picking up a weapon and shooting people is morally wrong and that somehow 'a video game made me do it' is just ridiculous."
- Doug Lowenstein, President, ESA

Analysis:
In my opinion the problem does not lie with the video games industry, but with the mass availability of firearms in the United States of America, as Walmart.com will testify. It is clear that such incidents are few and far between, and the handful that have taken place appear to be concentrated in the USA. Such incidents are highly unlikely in other developed countries like the United Kingdom, where much stricter licencing laws are in place. Furthermore, the notion that a person could play a game, and then feel so engrossed in it that they want to carry out a similar act themself is absurd. The view from human eyes is far different to that which is created by a modern games console, no matter how close to reality game developers would like you to believe their latest title is. Also, the fact that Mr Thomson is pursuing Rockstar for a figure in the region of 60million shows that money is an important factor in his lawsuits, yet no figure can be placed on a lost relative. It is purely a product of the American "sue" culture which appears to be sweeping the rest of the world. His pursual of WalMart for selling the game is completely unrealistic, as they also carry weapons which allow people to carry out such violent acts. These types of lawsuit have been around for a long time, often aimed at the movie industry instead. If video games had this effect on one person, why are such incidents isolated in nature?

A RealPlayer version of the programme is now available on the BBCi site. If you'd like to hear Attorney Barry Silver's song about Vice City's violent nature, get it from edgefiles, it's a must-listen! (600k .MP3)

- Neil
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That song is sick and wrong and should NEVER EVER be heard by anyone. That song will forever haunt me intil the day I die.
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05-05-2004 11:01 AM
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I liked it and thought it was really funny. And I thought the show was very interesting too...
Thanks Neil
05-05-2004 11:04 AM
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lol reminds me ages ago when Michael Landon was bichin about bugs bunny cartoons being too violent
05-05-2004 12:39 PM
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i think all these people are pu*sies...plain and simple.

if you cant take the world..then just go hide under a rock for the rest of your life.
05-05-2004 01:15 PM
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They all do it for the green..
05-05-2004 01:42 PM
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erm right well the thing is......................................... what would there be to take it like a real man for?
05-05-2004 03:15 PM
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those kids are the dumbest things on the earth. and the people who decided to sue the company dont know anything except that they suck major ass
05-05-2004 03:23 PM
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someone doesnt like the violence in gta....

this is news?
05-05-2004 03:35 PM
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Thought the show was hilarious - the presenter tried to stay neutral, but blatantly couldn't side with those nut bag reactionaries - well worth a watch. You won't learn anything you didn't already though.
05-05-2004 03:44 PM
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what a bunch of knobs. those kids would have shot those people if they were playing Nemo! because their parents are stupid enough to have a gun in the house.plus they shouldn't be playing the game cause they not 18.
05-05-2004 03:54 PM
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just because some dumbasses get high like a bunch of MOTHERF*****S and try some crap they saw in videogames because they have no girl no....NOTHING!!!
plain and simeple they dont have a life
BTW=this is jpfreak but my comp wont sign in(not because i got banned because can still post in the forums its prob the computer)
05-05-2004 03:58 PM
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im only 13 and i play the game
but i have a pretty good (average) life and i dont wanna ruin it like some dumbasses
05-05-2004 04:00 PM
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wow, i had no idea wallmart has guns. ive never been there, but they sure don't show that on the commercials! they show the bouncing yellow ball with that happy face...

but, i do agree... guns are a bit to accessible here. but connecting violence to video games is just silly. sure, you learn things. but, the things you do in vice city are practically impossible to do in real life. and, IT'S FOR A MATURE AUDIENCE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! that means, you are mature enough to know right from wrong. and, if a kid under 18 got it, it's the parent's (or whoever got it) fault if that kid does some violence acts.

suing wallmart seems pretty outrageous also...
05-05-2004 05:14 PM
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Wal*Mart is so hipocritical! They sell guns, but if your under 18 you cant buy glue. They wont let you buy glue, but they sell guns? WTF (you cant buy spray paint either) pale2hall@aol.com
05-05-2004 07:13 PM
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lol if they think vice city will drive kids to murder,I bet the bloodshed in Manhunt would give em heartburn.ANd now if you wille xcuse me..I have to go whack a gimp with a ballbat.
05-05-2004 07:29 PM
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Has anybody here seen the documentary Bowling for Columbine? It talks about the investigation of gun shootings in the United States. We have over 11,000 gun deaths a year and it isnt from high availability of guns because 7 out of 10 homes in Canada have guns, The U.S. is about 1 in 10. Japan has just as many video games as we do, mabe more and we share the same movies with most European countries.

But the one thing you will notice when you go from the U.S. to Canada is whats on the news. In the U.S. you wont find very many enlightening things because all you hear about is death and killing. In Canada a lot of things on the news are things that make people feel good. Hmmmmm right now on the news their talking about helicopter crashes! The United States media strikes a lot of fear into its viewers and makes us feel more defensive than other countrie's citizens. For a lot of americans if an intruder is in your house and you have a gun you are probably going to shoot him. Its just natural and the media are the only ones ones to blame.

I have 8 guns.They were all given to me by relatives because both sides of my family have always liked to hunt. Mabe this is a way many kids get ahold of guns.
05-05-2004 08:38 PM
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Hey Neil, Great report, very well worded and excellent structure. Thanks for giving us such a good perspective of the segment.
05-05-2004 09:02 PM
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for some reason video games are good, the player knows to divide the reality and the game himself. He knows that you can't kill a few cops, spray your car in 3 sec. and have a happy life after that.

They will know what to do with it. But I know, it ain't good to see guns and corpses. But It's **** stupid that they aren't complaining about movies. There is alot more violence, even the commercials in these days.
05-06-2004 07:58 AM
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# 16 not to be an ass but bowling for columbine is not actually a documentary it's a crock-o-crap. and ya wally world sells guns but if ya ain't 18 ya can't buy glue and the dudes who went out on the road and started shooting at people are stupid f*cknuts that have no grasp on reality, but the song was funny and the show was good so i'm pleased :)
05-06-2004 03:41 PM
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oh and yes #16 owr us media has very little enlightening info and this startde during nam
05-06-2004 03:43 PM
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It's a little extreme, I mean, Rockstar Games aren't to blame for the actions of these individuals. The content of GTA is a form of human creation and therefore a form of interpretation and perspective and like most of things in life, has the potential to cause influence be it for creative or destructive purposes or just for sheer entertainment. But the handling of the content is still entirely up to the individual and how things may inspire us is still our responsibility. I mean, if I get drunk at the pub this weekend with some friends and as I'm driving home I run little Timmy over as he's crossing the road, should I be able to sue Jim Beam? Of course not. As for the games being realistic in nature, that's a bit off the wall, a game couldn't possibly profit if it was ultra-realistic. What fun would GTA be if one shot-one kill was the way it worked? Those high speed Police chases would be over in a flash! Games are just like animation, based on reality with contorted dynamics. Heh! The innocents in the Columbine shooting certainly couldn't shrug off rockets and bullets like the DOOM guy, the people who lept out of the burning WTC on 9/11 didn't hit the ground and only lose 4% armour. Reality and games are two completely different realms and trying to bring one into the other is folly. Not to mention inrresponsible. GTA has sold millions of copies and god knows how many bootlegs are floating around, yet a couple of bad eggs start crying "Crocadile Tears" and Rockstar, Walmart and various others are called into question. I thought this was a democracy? The millions upon millions of others who play and love GTA eat their greens, hump like jackrabbits and go to work and they don't do anything in the macarbe nature of these individuals and if the millions of peeps who enjoy these games are law abiding and well minded people who handle their content responsibly then I think that states that the people have spoken.
05-07-2004 02:56 AM
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I bet that lawyer has a small dick, and needs to get money from people who are better than him. That's all there is to it..
05-07-2004 05:52 PM
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Fufoo said it right. No body has the right to blame violence on video games.
05-07-2004 06:50 PM
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I agree with Neil, that Video Games are not to be blamed, but the freedom of owning a gun in America. If you take away Video Games such as Vice City than people like us would be very bored and might resort to violence instead, just for some fun???
05-08-2004 01:10 PM
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But even then, blaming a gun for the actions isn't neccersarily the entire problem. There are many who own guns but only use them for sport. The laws should be tighter against the ease of avaliability. But guns aren't responsible - it's the actions of the individual and each and every person is defined by what they do and what they say but a lot of the time, people don't want to take responsibility for these things. Especially if they are singled out and not within the comfy realms of the majority. Humans have plenty of means in order to carry out violent acts, one only needs to go to a kitchenware shop to purchase a knife or use their own hands and feet to beat some innocent senseless. A majority of individuals everywhere understand that violence isn't fun and that violence carries serious consequencies both on a lawful scale and on a humanitarian one. Regardless if you own a gun or play video games it is still the responsibility of the individual to understand these concepts.
05-09-2004 12:04 AM
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i say fuck you mike22k fucka you fuckn talking about freedom while lots of us peoples favrite gaming place is going to court ROCKSTARGAMES has been the best gaming company i have known SO FUCK YOU IN YOUR FACE MOTHA FUCKA
05-10-2004 11:03 PM
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I can see things 50 times worse than any games that rockstar made on T.V.But no one fucking complains about that.
07-09-2004 02:15 PM
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fuck that bitch ass pussy sum1 outa bitch tha shit of of him
07-23-2004 08:35 PM
 

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