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Old 11-19-2010   #1
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Corporal punishment.

You guys(uk members) heard about this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nningdale.html



Four men are being questioned on suspicion of kidnap and murder after a man in his 40s was found dying in a van in a leafy Berkshire village.

The quartet - aged 24, 26, 54 and 56 - are being held in police custody and questioned after the victim was found 'breathing shallowly' in what is said to have been a cement sack.

A white van was stopped in the village of Sunningdale and four men were arrested, but witnesses suggested it was at least 45 minutes later that officers realised there was a badly beaten man in the back.

As a result of the man's death, the case has been reported to the Independent Police Complaints Commission by Thames Valley Police who were today granted a further 36 hours to quiz the men.

The victim, believed to be in his 40s, died of head injuries, a post mortem examination revealed today.

He will be formally identified tomorrow, a police spokesman said.

Superintendent Richard Humphrey, police commander for the Slough area, insisted the injured man was not 'readily visible' and was 'only found when a thorough search was undertaken'.

The victim, who is believed to have been battered with a sledgehammer, and was not wearing a shirt or shoes, was still alive though unconscious.

Witnesses said he was wrapped in a tarpaulin bag and looked like he had been tortured or burned.

Paramedics tried to resuscitate him for about 40 minutes but he died at the scene.




Fuck me, that makes me cringe just thinking about it. Battered with a sledgehammer, burnt, all that stuff, and left to bleed to death.


Problem is, I'm as liberal as they come, and I can't justifying not building some sort of room 101 for these kinds of people. Reform? Fuck that. Make a tv show out of it. Call it 'Fish Food Extreme' or something, and it should just be these guys getting swirled in a toilet bowl full of piranhas. Get some advertising on there, whatever we make we donate to people who need it. Strip them of their organs and give them to people who really need it.


I'm callous yeah, but it'd work I'm telling ya.
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Old 11-19-2010   #2
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Sounds like an NCIS episode! Pretty fucked up that that kind of shit happens irl :/
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I'm pretty against corporal punishment. Considering the number of lives the British legal system ruins by imprisoning innocent people who may or may not be released decades later when they eventually figure out they've made a mistake - I wouldn't trust them not to beat up the wrong people. Even DNA proof isn't 100%.
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I'm pretty against corporal punishment. Considering the number of lives the British legal system ruins by imprisoning innocent people who may or may not be released decades later when they eventually figure out they've made a mistake - I wouldn't trust them not to beat up the wrong people. Even DNA proof isn't 100%.

I'd like to think I'm against it but hearing stuff like this makes me wanna reopen Guantanamo.
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I'm for corporal punishment.

Some people are beyond reform and need to be removed from this planet, it's as simple as that. Why keep a serial child killer alive in prison? Naah fuck it let him out in a few years time, who gives a fuck if he rapes and kills another kiddie.

I mean obviously I'm not saying if like.. someone kills someone by accident and the evidence is sketchy, yeah reform them. I know a lot of people will use the same argument they always use "let them stay alive and suffer" look at the cost of keeping them in prison, then tell me who's actually suffering. Oh and take a look at British prisons too.

But the European courts would cry their eyes out and fine us.. and because our government are a bunch of fucking pussies they'll bend over and let everyone assfuck them, who gives a fuck if tax paying citizens are at risk. Because apparently that's the British way.. bend over and take it.

On another note about how fucked up England is... a bunch of extremists burnt a large poppy on memorial day? What do we do... give them a police escort and fucking protection. I'm all for free speech, but if those fuckers hate this country so much ship the cunts to an Islamic state, I'd pay to see them try to protest in an Islamic country.

Gotta love how political correctness is basically saying "fuck you" to every average person

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I'll probably get a lot of BS for this post but whatever, that's just my opinion.

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Sure, why not.

Bring it on, I'll drive the death trucks myself.
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So we should kill them because they killed people and killing people is wrong...

On another note humans are not infallible, we make mistakes. I'm not talking about criminals here, i'm talking about the court system. there have been cases of people being proved innocent after spending 20 years in prison, or 10 years on death row.

If there is a chance,even a slight one! that we could kill an innocent person, and your still for corporal punishment, then you're guilty of the murder of that innocent person, and by your own logic should be put to death.
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You rape and kill kiddies? You deserve to die.

Sure humans make mistakes.. but the second you think it's okay to murder/rape someone, that's the second you forfeit your human rights. A mistake would be driving recklessly and killing someone... clearly that person would need to spend some time in a real prison and learn from their mistake.

You think someone accidentally kidnapped that man and accidentally tortured him for hours using a fucking sledgehammer? No fuck that shit, you made your choice, you are no longer considered a human or an animal in my eyes.

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No, I'm saying that it's wrong to kill people. No matter what they've done. Murder is murder.

When I'm talking about mistakes I'm saying that courts can be manipulated into finding an innocent person guilty, and sentencing an innocent person to death. Sure it's not the majority, but if I as a citizen of my country supported a system that killed one innocent person, how in the hell does that not make me a murderer?
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Well what would you recommend happen instead?
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The only reason I'm against corporal/capital punishment may only be in relation to America, but I'll speak my mind anyway.

IMO, it just costs too much to kill someone off, especially with all the necessary paperwork and miscellaneous legalities. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it costs quite a bit more to kill someone than to keep them in prison for their entire life.

Plus, if you kill someone, there's not much of a punishment I think. Yeah, you end their life, but imagine how difficult life must be for someone rotting away in prison. They have nothing to do but reflect upon their decision, which will haunt them until they die.

I agree though, individuals such as those responsible for such a wrong-doing deserve death...but let it come to then over time, after they've had years and years to feel nothing but guilt and shame.
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Well what would you recommend happen instead?
For Murder? life in prison with no possibility of parole. Manslaughter can be 15-20 years.

I imagine you're going to bring the cost element up now, that it's expensive to house a person for life. But it's a social responsibility. It's also expensive to maintain the welfare system and homeless shelters, should we pop them all in a gas chamber to save the expense?
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Take a look a British prisons, I'm sure you'll change your mind.

Very few people come out of prison reformed.

The very least they could do is force the prisoners to do some hard labour.. make them earn their food.
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I've got no problem with them turning them into workers. I'm not saying they will be reformed, I'm just saying they shouldn't be killed like bloody dogs because they can't be reformed.
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For Murder? life in prison with no possibility of parole. Manslaughter can be 15-20 years.

I imagine you're going to bring the cost element up now, that it's expensive to house a person for life. But it's a social responsibility. It's also expensive to maintain the welfare system and homeless shelters, should we pop them all in a gas chamber to save the expense?
Why spend your money keeping a convicted child rapist and overall shitcock alive for years and years?

Surely we could spend it on something better, I mean wat?

I'd agree to Prison if every country had what the Russians had. Gulags, where you got worked to the bone.
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