Old 06-24-2007   #1
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ESRB Grudge Against R*?

I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but I did a search and nothing came up. I saw this topic over on Gamefaqs, I thought it was interesting.

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After reading the posts in that topic do you think that's possible. It does seem like everyone is out to get R*, and I have a bad feeling that with all the trouble that Hot coffee, Bully and Manhunt 2 have caused we might not see this game, at least not around the scheduled release date. And if we do, there is a chance it could be watered down. What are your thoughts?
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Old 06-24-2007   #2
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If ESRB rated GTAIV as AO, then all hell would break loose.
Take Two would sue like nuts, as would Rockstar, ESRB would retaliate with Manhunt...
It would be crazy. But then again, ESRB rates games / movies etc on their content, so as long as there is nothing which is adult material in GTAIV, then ESRB can't rate the game AO.
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Thank you for your comment. I don't live in the US (I'm a Brit.) so I wasn't quite sure how the ESRB rating system worked. I was just worried that should they slap an AO rating on GTA in the US, that it would be delayed worldwide. Good to know AO ratings are only for sexual content though, this has helped put my mind at ease.
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Only factor that should have an effect over the possibility of a game receiving an AO rating should be nudity, plus exceptions with some other descriptors (Intense Violence, Use Of Drugs, etc) depending on the severity. Manhunt 2's intense violence (assumed) descriptor was most likely very, very severe therefore ESRB brings up that exception and bam, AO rating. GTA's violence has never reached a level quite like that though, and Rockstar would in no way have nudity in the game, they've learned that it comes with a heavy price, and a personal opinion here, it's stupid.
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...and a personal opinion here, it's stupid.
Here here.
Theres no need for it, its not fun to play, funny to look at, or even arousing it's actually quite uncomfortable
As for Manhunt it shouldn't be banned, as it's up to the discretion on the buyer, it's not fair telling grown adults they're not allowed a game as it's "too violent" even if kids get hold of the game, it should still be the responsilblity of the parent wether they play it or not, no one elses.
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The ESRB don't have a grudge against Rockstar, Since Hot Coffee they have rated The Warriors, Bully, and LCS and VCS and they all passed fine and without problems. As for Manhunt 2, well the BBFC (UK Ratings and Classifications) are more laid back in terms of content, During Hot Coffee, San Andreas wasn't affected over here as small amounts of sexual content are allowed in 18 Rated games, unless the game is hardcore porn which would result in an R18, but for Manhunt 2, it must have some pretty damn grusome scenes and violent stuff to get itself banned, afterall the original game passed with ease and was re-released by the BBFC after it was banned for a short while.
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You've got to admit: Manhunt 2 will be on or over the edge...they can't just let it pass. But I don't get the US rating system. Previous GTA's were available for 17-year olds, AO means for +18...does it really make difference (well obviously it does, but I don't see why)? It's just here in Belgium they were all rated +18, but there's no particular fuss about them (except in some papers after another senseless shootout). A 10-year old can just buy SA here, are they really that strict in the US?
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are they really that strict in the US?
Yes, because many American politicians who consider themselves "Experts" on video games, yet have never played a video game in their life are still under the false impression that video games were only meant for kids, and they are blind to the fact that there is a ratings system.

Also, Sony and Nintendo have their heads up their ass by not endorsing AO rated games. The only difference between AO and M is one year. Yet that one year can mean the difference between a major success and a major failure in the game industry. Same with NC-17 and R in the movie industry.

And besides the rating system is, and always has been total bullshit. For both movies and video games. Numbers are no way to measure someone's maturity. To say that someone will magically turn mature enough to play GTA the second they turn 17 is a fucking dumbass.

There are 10 year olds who are mature enough to play GTA, but there are also 20 year olds who are not mature enough. The rating system just isn't accurate enough.
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Exactly, TC. These ratings system are NOT laws, they are guidelines, (at least I know movies are for a fact) yet seem to be enforced as laws. If you're under 17 at GameStop or another video game store or retailer, they ask you for ID or parental/guardian (also whatever adult may be with you) consent. Thing is, I'm pretty sure the video game rating system is not a law either, but apparently it is for these employees at retailers to not sell these mature rated games to minors. Seriously, the way that has come to be is ridiculous. Kids kill others, someone blames it on video games, bye bye "guidelines".
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To say that someone will magically turn mature enough to play GTA the second they turn 17 is a fucking dumbass.
As true as that is, when making laws/rules you have to draw a line somewhere as you can't give every potential buyer a maturity test (what the hell is a maturity test right ).

Where I live GTA games are legally only allowed to be sold to people who are 18 or older but I'm sure younger people could easily get hold of them without the help of someone older. The online store I often buy games from doesn't check my age (I think), even though I'm 23 so it doesn't matter.

Reminds me a couple of weeks ago my friend and I were in a shop and he bought an R18 game and the guy asked to see his ID, my friend is also 23 and was a bit amazed/offended and the guy then said "It's just like achohol and cigarettes" (which are also 18+ here).
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it's not fair telling grown adults they're not allowed a game as it's "too violent"
I Definitly agree, it seems almost encroaching on rights to just say to the public "No, you can't have this". As long as it's rated and labelled appropriately so people know how graphic it is, it's their choice. Protecting the kids can only be stretched so far as a reason. Why not ban alchohol worldwide? That'll stop underage drinking... oh wait, then politicians wouldn't be able to go home, have a drink and be hypocritical about the whole thing.
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Well then you got these retarded parents of today that sue over every little thing. im sure someones tried to sue gamestop because they let thier 10 year old buy GTASA. its called being a RESPONISBLE parent and supervising what your kids do! but i remember when game stores were really slack on letting you buy stuff. as long as you looked old enough on camera they would sell it to you...

nowadays this country is so fvked up its not even funny, parents sueing mcdonalds because thier kids are fat, sueing because they didnt know coffee was hot and got burned by it, sueing because thier shoelace got caught in an escialtor...just little common sense stuff that thier sueing over ever wonder why everyhting you buy has a warnign able of all the possible things that could hurt yuo on it? its bcause some dumbass tried to sue them over it so now that they put a mile long warnign label that the company cant get sued...

bunch of politican BS at its finnest
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