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Old 04-23-2008   #1
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Dan & Sam Houser Discuss GTA IV Development

Overtime, more and more publishers and developers have come out to vindicate Sony's decision in using Blu-ray media as the primary medium for the PlayStation 3. Earlier on, skeptics told Sony that Blu-ray was pointless, that it only drove up the cost of the PS3, and that DVD storage was enough. As time has gone by, those skeptics have been proven wrong time and time again. Dan Houser has made perhaps the most important critique and justification of Sony's decision to use Blu-ray.

Who's Dan Houser? The Co-founder, along with brother Sam, of Rockstar...you know, those Grand Theft Auto guys. Speaking to 1up, Dan Houser states the standard dual-layer DVD simply isn't enough, and that it too became a problem during GTAIV's development. This raises some concern on whether or not the next Grand Theft Auto game will fit on an Xbox 360 disc, because Rockstar's motto has consistently been focused on making each and every new game larger than the last.

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc," Houser told 1up.

The hard drive issue is also another problem Rockstar sees with the Xbox 360, as not every Xbox 360 has a hard drive, which makes it very hard for Rockstar to implement HDD features into the X360 game. Continuing on the subject of limited disc space, Houser states, "the 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about...hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller."

This bit of news brings up two thoughts in my head. 1) It wasn't just the PlayStation 3 that was responsible for the delay, as it seems rather clear that condensing content onto the Xbox 360's disc was a problem for Rockstar. 2) This problem seems all too familiar, as it's affected Nintendo in two generations, with the GameCube, and especially the Nintendo 64. Dozens of developers gave up working on the Nintendo 64 because of how limited the cartridge was, providing a maximum of only 64MB. But unlike the N64, the Xbox 360 has a solution: multi-disc games, which were very common back in the PlayStation days. For example, Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 boasts four DVDs worth of gameplay.

So does this potentially mean more multi-disc games in the future for the Xbox 360? Probably. What it doesn't mean is that Rockstar will release GTAV exclusively for the PS3 next time around, so put your shiny magic balls away.

Link: http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2966.html
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Old 04-23-2008   #2
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your point is?...........to start another flame war again?!
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Great read, thanks.
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Kotaku claims that GTA IV takes up just 6.32GB of the disc. They still have another 2GB free on the dual layer DVD, so that's plenty of room to add more stuff. You can look at it as them only using 75% of the disc's capacity.

And then there was this....

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One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc.
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Both Xbox and Xbox 360 support dual layer DVD, so what is this "slightly bigger DVD disc" of which he speaks?
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Kotaku claims that GTA IV takes up just 6.32GB of the disc. They still have another 2GB free on the dual layer DVD, so that's plenty of room to add more stuff. You can look at it as them only using 75% of the disc's capacity.

And then there was this....



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Both Xbox and Xbox 360 support dual layer DVD, so what is this "slightly bigger DVD disc" of which he speaks?
Doesn't quite work that way buck-o.



GTAIV 360 ISO:



That "extra 2 gigs" is being used up by copy protection, which ironically failed pretty miserably here.

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6.32Gb is only 12% of the space available on a BluRay disc (Duallayer BluRay = 50Gb)

Doesnt that mean that because both games had to be the same, the 360s lack of avaiable space means that us PS3 owners are loosing out on how good this game could potentially be for us?

Correct me if im wrong, im just stating what it seems like... i dont mean to start a war or anything, im just wondering if that's true?
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I had no idea the copy protection took up so much space! That's quite significant really.
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