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Old 03-07-2008   #1
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GTA - Where are the white gangs?

The Brooklyn high school teacher who writes the NYC-themed Big Smoke Street Corner blog has some interesting things to say about racism in the Grand Theft Auto series.

Having played pretty much the entire series (being, sadly, the resolute gamer I am) and basically noting how much they've pulled from such sources as The Godfather, Scarface and New Jack City, I can not remember a single positive image for Blacks, Mexicans, Cubans, Jamaicans, Colombians, Haitians, Italians, Puerto Ricans, Chinese, Japanese, one Jewish lawyer (!) and soon in the upcoming game, Russians and Serbians; not to mention the constant lampooning of liberals and homosexuals. Mind you, of course, there are never any white gangs.

DAMMIT! When is a game going to come along and accurately depict the epidemic of white street gangs! Running around in their leather jackets, with names like Ponyboy and Sodapop. Until S.E. Hinton is brought on as a consultant this racism will continue unabated!

Now I am sure there are some white street gangs out there, but you're more likely to see the odd white guy in a mainly Black or Mexican gang, because dammit, their gangs are just that much cooler than anything a bunch of white kids could come up with.

I don't think the portrayal Grand Theft Auto has anything to do with racism. EVERYONE in Grand Theft Auto is a larger-than-life caricature. Corrupt cops are more corrupt. Geeks are geekier. Slutty women are sluttier. The snozberries taste like snozberries.

As for the lack of positive images in the series, who can you single out as a completely positive character in GTA? There are no role models. There are no white knights without tarnished armor. This is the seedy underbelly. What did you expect?

http://kotaku.com/365137/gta-+-where...he-white-gangs
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Wait. What? There are bikers and punks (the dudes with the leather jackets but aren't hardcore like the bikers on the main island) in Vice City, the Mafia in III. In SA you deal with Russians, and in some cases, the mafia.

So...has this dude ever played a GTA or is he just not paying attention at all?

Fact of the matter is that Grand Theft Auto is self reflective. It has so many gangs featuring minorities because there ARE more gangs featuring minorities. It isn't racist at all, it's just the truth.
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Way to rant about something without doing proper research, lmao.
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maybe he meant white as in Caucasian gangs?
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This NY teacher guy is a dickhead.

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there are never any white gangs.
Theres the Mafia, Sharks (VC), The guys in black leather coats with red T-shirt (VC)... Theres quite a few

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DAMMIT! When is a game going to come along and accurately depict the epidemic of white street gangs! Running around in their leather jackets, with names like Ponyboy and Sodapop.
Watching to much of the 'Outsiders'. Plus having characters called Ponyboy and Sodapop isn't GTA's style.

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Now I am sure there are some white street gangs out there, but you're more likely to see the odd white guy in a mainly Black or Mexican gang, because dammit, their gangs are just that much cooler than anything a bunch of white kids could come up with.
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maybe he meant white as in Caucasian gangs?
Thats what he probably meant, they need to add some Muslim gangs on there.
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Are there any Muslim gangs?
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Muslim...gangs...?

Anyway, games are not made for education but for entertainment. If a black kid needs a positive role model in his life he probably does not have the time to sit around playing video games.

Btw, CJ was rather positive. He wanted to get out of the ghetto, sort of. And he didn't do drugs.

Also, Italians and Russians aren't white?

edit: btw, I think GTA IV will contain an Irish gang.
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Not like Iraqi Muslim, like Bosnian thugs or some.
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Not like Iraqi Muslim, like Bosnian thugs or some.
Most Bosnians aren't muslim, I believe. We've got the Yugoslavian and Bosnian mafia in my country and I don't think they're muslim.

Albanians though, are muslims. But they're not really known or big in the criminal circle, they're mostly just poor...really poor.

All muslim crime I know is just in the form of 12 year olds in shitty gangs. But they don't ever visit a mosque so you can't really call them muslim.

edit: Wait...are Bosnians Islamic?

edit2: Yeah, most Bosnians are muslim. I mixed them up with Serbs.
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just put in a gang of every race and be as sterotype as possible
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just put in a gang of every race and be as sterotype as possible
They did. It's called Saint's Row. zing!

But seriously, as mentioned before, there are several Irish thugs, and possibly an Irish gang in GTAIV.
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maybe he meant white as in Caucasian gangs?
Blood thirsty, thieving, white gangs would be located on Wall-Street, me thinks...ohhh the LC equivalent.
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Yea I thought this was pretty funny. haha
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They did. It's called Saint's Row. zing!

But seriously, as mentioned before, there are several Irish thugs, and possibly an Irish gang in GTAIV.
well they took the phone from saints row and other stuff. so take that aswell
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