anybody else dissappointed at no properties?

[Bigdave117]

damn it seems like this game will be a next gen version of GTA 3

[smoking12]

Maybe you can buy romans taxi depot or your partner maybe something like that if not oh well i don't play gta cause the properties. I play it cause i love doing things on this game that i cant in real life.

[Ash_735]

The story isn't about taking over the city though, it's just about getting well off and out of debt, I'm not sure if a person in mad debt would be going around buying companies, besides, being realistic, you can't just walk up to a company and buy it if you have a lot of money, you have to go through a load of background checks, etc, which Niko would probly fail.

[LordLeverette]

However, I'm almost completely sure that Niko will have tons of safehouses and places to stay (Even though it isn't taking over the city, Niko better get a penthouse with a helicopter by the end of the game)

[monkio]

its already been confirmed that it is not going to rags to riches, but rags to better rags. So I don't know if we will be seeing Niko in a penthouse. Unless he is in there killing the owner.

[smoking12]

Like on vice city you get diazs mansion maybe something like that but that was stupid you kill him and automatically own his house.

[MyFingersHurt]

Well, it's not that bad. They said GTA IV was more about the realism. I think I'll like it!

[m4rcj3sus]

i really dont care about buying property as long as there is a good amount of safe houses, because as big as they say that liberty city is i dont want to be driving for 20 minutes to get to a safehouse.

this game is gritty and thats how i want it. im happy

[NikoteenBellic]

I'm gonna miss being the boss of my own little criminal enterprise. No penthouse? slightly better rags? Not much to work towards. I dont' know how much debt Niko's in, but If he can afford 20+ safe houses, rocket launchers, 3 piece suits, and a 30,000$ hybrid, he better be able to purchase a nice house or high rise apt. Its NY! I want valet parking infront of my multi million dollar bachalor pad.

[Tendercrisp]

I'm gonna miss being the boss of my own little criminal enterprise. No penthouse? slightly better rags? Not much to work towards. I dont' know how much debt Niko's in, but If he can afford 20+ safe houses, rocket launchers, 3 piece suits, and a 30,000$ hybrid, he better be able to purchase a nice house or high rise apt. Its NY! I want valet parking infront of my multi million dollar bachalor pad.

Well, he is an immigrant and a criminal, I doubt he'd be able to buy property. Plus, I also doubt he "bought" any of those things you listed. Did you forget to notice the words "grand theft" in the title of the game?

[comics22]

Well, he is an immigrant and a criminal, I doubt he'd be able to buy property. Plus, I also doubt he "bought" any of those things you listed. Did you forget to notice the words "grand theft" in the title of the game?

haha exactly, you never "buy" anyhtign in GTA games, your car is our car:cool:

ehh i havent played the stories games but in vice city it got annoying afterawhile cuz you had so much money it made them pointless.

[NikoteenBellic]

Well, he is an immigrant and a criminal, I doubt he'd be able to buy property. Plus, I also doubt he "bought" any of those things you listed. Did you forget to notice the words "grand theft" in the title of the game?

Myabe if you use cheat codes... I'm sure you don't steal the guns from Little Jacob. Did you see the new teaser vid with priced vehicles and car lots? In ever single GRAND THEFT auto game, you had you BUY your safe house, not steal it (except the diaz mansion). You think the suits are stolen? Really?

I understand he's an immigrant and a criminal, so buying property and even safe houses for that matter would be a problem. But would it make more sense for him to steal a property or safe house? Wouln't it be hard to get a bank account with an atm card? Maybe he stole that too. :retardo2:

[Jakenz]

eh im sure they will sort something, however they make it it will be for the good of the game

[Xan]

Doesn't really effect me.

Properties and all that other jazz isn't what I'm getting GTAIV for anyway.

[Yam Trigger]

Niko is a legal immigrant (I think). Wouldn't it been slightly easier for him to have a bank account, than if he was illegal.

[ChameleoBJE]

Had they made it a "rags to riches" plot, that would be plausible. However, Rockstar Games said in an interview that it would be a "rags to better rags" plot. I know, I'll defenitely miss owning territories or properties in Vice and San Andreas.

[Yam Trigger]

I'm going to enjoy the fact that for once the protagonist isn't a famous name in the criminal world, but just another person trying to live a normal life.

[Asif]

Properties acquiring feature is quite addictive for a while, from what I've learnt from Vice City and Godfather, but I never thought it to be an essential part of the game.

[NikoteenBellic]

I'm going to enjoy the fact that for once the protagonist isn't a famous name in the criminal world, but just another person trying to live a normal life.

A normal life? Go get the sims. Everyday I wake up it's rags to slightly better rags. I live a normal life and plan on turning my rags to riches, it's a shame Niko's not as ambitious. (sp?)

I like properties. Not that it would make or break the game, it surprises me that some people would rather not have a feature that was a blast in VC.

[Telk]

thats a bit weird that they would not have this feature....... i wanted a house like donald trump, but iim sure what they have planned will work well

[smoking12]

Yea i would rather own a business then kill people i would like to own a taxi service sense .I love driving people around in a taxi on gta.

[bennifer3000]

I'm 100% relieved that there is NO property buying and management.

While I love video games and the whole realm of fantasy and grandeur that they bring, in the past the whole buying mechanic was poorly executed. There was really no point to it and it was a chore.

Like people have said, it's "rags to better rags". It wouldn't fit the story. If the main character was an Italian who was already a mid-level heavy with aspirations to replace an aging Don, then it'd make sense he operate a Casino as a front (ala Casino), but I like what Rockstar is doing.

They're making their own story and seemingly abandoning drawing from other movies (Goodfellas, Scarface, Boyz in the Hood). It seems like GTA is being regrounded in reality which I think is great for the series. After the whole Truth and Roswell, Space Aliens and Jet Packs.....GTA was in need of redefinition.

Maybe the story will be a lot less grand (something I may not like), but atleast the gameplay won't be poorly contrived, and the story much more modest.

[Comeback209]

I'd think everyone would love the fact that the story is actually different from the last GTA's ;<

Rags to riches has been done, time to see a different story take place.

[NikoteenBellic]

So you don't want to earn money? Niko seeks the "american dream" but only gets his debts paid? I hope you guys enjoy playing the game in a "slightly better rags" state of mind. As long as I can earn money, I plan to accumulate vast amounts. I never use codes and always thought of my money amount as a high score.

I have full faith in Rockstar to deliver the best game EVER, but I think we are focusing to much on this rags to riches quote. Theres a new banking system, I plan on taking pride in my wealth. After all, crime pays.

[Ash_735]

Chill out man, you want property, then by all means go and play VCS, that has the most up to date Property system around and was annoying as fuck too. And in case you keep missing this point, the game is more realistic, how many times in New York do you see Immigrants arrive in the city, kill a load of people then buy a few businesses without any hassle? Niko has a past, a criminal past, a record that is very detailed, the type of record that would prevent banks from touching him and property sellers to avoid him.

Why don't we proove this, go outside, kill a couple of people, steal some cars, you know, get your criminal record up, and then go and try to buy a big business. :)

[NikoteenBellic]

Buying property for Niko goes hand in hand with having a bank account (confirmed), both not realistic for a imigrant with a criminal past. You would rather them leave out a feature then just take upon yourself to ignore it? Not all property has to be legit. Crack houses, Meth labs, Whore houses all in shitty little PROPERTIES.

My concern isn't even involving owning property (tho I would like to have that option), I mostly worry about "better rags." Not for me, I wanna get paid. How will the stop me from earning millions? At the end of the game you want 20+ shitty little safe houses, and not one favorite penthouse? Rent on 20 houses is crazy. Your so into realism? Go outside kill some people, steal thier cars, then buy 20 houses and put a rocket launcher in your pocket.

Isn't Roman an imigrant with a criminal past? Dosn't the cab stand count as a property? I guess rockstar didn't think it was so unrealistic...

[Xan]

If your so hellbent on having properties then go play VCS like Ash suggested, since the ranting won't do a single thing.

If it's not in the game at this point, then you can pretty much kiss your ambitions good bye.

[Ash_735]

No, Roman is a low time crook, nothing major, he mainly borrowed money from the big guys, that's why he's in trouble now and in debt! Why the hell are you even argueing? For fuck sakes it's not in the game, get fucking over it. You don't like it, don't buy the game then! Simple.

[NikoteenBellic]

Im simply voicing my opinion, so you are. It's okay, I'm not mad. We don't see eye to eye on this one ash, sorry if my opinion upset you in any way. I enjoy when discussions get heated, but neither one of us should be so passionate about this subject.

[Ash_735]

I'm not getting passionate, just kind of annoying, it's not in the game and no amount of your bitching on the subject won't bring it back, they done the property stuff before, took it to the next level in VCS and not many people liked it. So if you want Property based game with a challenge then get VCS and go for all 30, and their side missions.

[smoking12]

Maybe then download content will have business you will be able to own who knows.

[NikoteenBellic]

I didn't know "no properties" had been confirmed until this post. Judging by the name of the thread, I'm in thre right place to bitch. I'm not argueing that there will be properties, Im just saying it wouldn't be that unrealistic. If I was an imigrant with a criminal history I could still buy property with cash. Niko's not wanted for any crimes? Cleared of all charges? Never proven guilty, or has served his time; either way I don't see a reason someone wouldn't sell thier buisiness for the right amount of cash. It's not far fetched, I win. Case dismissed :smash:

[Ash_735]

You think Nikos got a green card? :P

[NikoteenBellic]

Niko is a legal immigrant (I think). Wouldn't it been slightly easier for him to have a bank account, than if he was illegal.

I agree with this. Saying it's to unrealistic for Niko to buy property is saying the same about a bank account. And, yes, I think he arrived by plane legaly. Not shipped in a crate from eastern europe.

[Ash_735]

He arrives by Boat as shown in the third trailer. :P Ok, so it's not totally unrealistic for him to take over the city, but that's not his goal, unlike Tommy or CJ, Niko just wants enough money for him and his cousin to get them out of trouble and to get rid of their past. Niko doesn't want to be some sort of celebrity, he's come to Liberty City to escape his old life. Him running around and buying out every major compnay just wouldn't be right for him and would most likely draw too much attention to his character.

[NikoteenBellic]

I agree (for once) It's not a priorety. But I assume most of the side mission won't be. I would'nt appreciate Niko "taking over the city" and becoming a "celebrity" but street level thug seems a bit drab. I'm sure completing the game will be hard work, and the pay off? No studio apt. with a kick ass view? Any ways, your right about alot of things so i'll agree to disagree. thanks for keepin me thinkin. im out :finger:

[bennifer3000]

I can see it now: Niko driving to the Secretary of State, getting registered, writing his business plan, buying licenses, driving to all the different buildings, filling out forms.

GTA IV Massive Excite! :P

[Tendercrisp]

Calm down guys.

I personally am glad at the absence of properties for a change. It is more realistic. And just because you won't be able to buy properties, doesn't mean you won't be able to crash at a penthouse with a helicopter on top.

I mean, there's this whole "friendship level with your contacts" thing for a reason. Even if Niko isn't able to buy his own, he can still become close enough to some rich criminals that he'll be able to have access to all of their luxuries.

I don't think they're going to keep us stuck with this shitty taxi depot as a save point throughout the entire game anyway. Especially considering how vast LC is this time around. :p

[gta4crazy1]

I agree with TC. They have added many other things for us to mess around with. So it actually balances itself out because they are giving us new things in return of the properties.

[tmac9wr]

I'm sure we'll still be able to buy things like townhomes and penthouses. I think some people are taking the "Rags to slightly better rags" thing too literally. I'm sure we're going to make plenty of money...we're just not going to be the King of Liberty City.

[Yam Trigger]

I hope Rockstar have thought of new ways for Niko to spend his money. I got bored of having millions of dollars in SA and nothing to spend them on.

[Gui]

The properties feature was ace in Vice City but it's been done to exhaustion by almost every GTA clone, instead i wanna see new and creative gameplay features in GTA IV.

[T. Vercetti]

I don't see the point in buying business if it is a "rags to better rags" game, however I still think there should be houses for us to buy in the game, otherwise, as said before, what's the point in having millions of dollars and nothing to spend it on?

Edit: Sorry to bring up a dead topic, I just didn't want to create a new thread if this one is still here.

[Cpt_Chris]

In my opinion I would think safe houses are acquired through his contacts like "hey Nikko this is my place but u can chill here for a while until you get back on your feet" or something and then you kinda just end up having a place to stay with no legal issues. as for the atm goes and stuff thats a good question. But anyways thats my take on it, although that prolly isnt how it is.

[John Connor]

Properties were ok in VCS but its certainly not a necessity. I just want to be able to get to know this city once again in the realistic way.

[RedAvery]

Trust me we will have places to stay . hopefully somewhere i can chill and relax and park my beautiful cars.

[John Connor]

Trust me we will have places to stay . hopefully somewhere i can chill and relax and park my beautiful cars.

Not only that, but you can even call up your friends to hang out and maybe go play pool or some kind of game to pass the time. So maybe you won't necessarily need a safe house to save or store your cars. Maybe you can go to your regular haunts where you and your boys go to hang out instead.

[T. Vercetti]

Having at least an apartment would be nice though.

[Zidane]

At least Saint's Row 2 gives you a place to stay and your choice of how you want it to look.

[T. Vercetti]

I never did like Saint's Row games. They just never did anything for me.

[claud3]

yes and no . REASON yes because the money you make is good. No because you have to go and buy them and then defend them which was good at the start but hard to keep it up all the time

[gtafan420]

not dissapointed at all what so ever. im actually kinda happy theres not properties, i dont think you really realize what else GTA IV has to offer. you will probably forget all about properties when you lay hands on it.

[RedAvery]

i seriously cant wait for this game to come out. its like a dream to me. i cant imagine myself playing it because its too good to be true. its freaking amazing. i cant believe they were able to make the game this amazing. so much details. GTA IV GAME OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!

[monkio]

yeah RedAvery, this game is amazing us all, and will no doubt be game of the year. I havnt been paying attention, but i dont think there is much competition.

[jascando]

He arrives by Boat as shown in the third trailer. :P Ok, so it's not totally unrealistic for him to take over the city, but that's not his goal, unlike Tommy or CJ, Niko just wants enough money for him and his cousin to get them out of trouble and to get rid of their past. Niko doesn't want to be some sort of celebrity, he's come to Liberty City to escape his old life. Him running around and buying out every major compnay just wouldn't be right for him and would most likely draw too much attention to his character.

i agree with this to a point, i dont believe in real life it is possible to step off the boat and take over New York. However can any of us really say we dont like lots of money, plush pads, and to run our own criminal sindicate? GTA has always been to me the perfect game because yeah i think its cool to be a big shot, but even Roman himself said he wanted his own buisness to buy a mansion etc., and Niko actually came here under that assumation, so i belive wealth and power id definatly somewhat on his mind, maybe not DON level, but i can bet he doesnt just wanna drive around a cab either, doea that make sense?