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GMC1990
12-23-2007, 12:01 PM
WELL I HAVE AN ISSUE IM GOING TO BE GETTING A VISA FROM MY FAMILY WITH $400 TO GET THE PS3. HOWEVER THE ONLY REASON WHY IM GETTING IT FOR IS FOR GTA IV. I ALREADY PREORDERED AND IT SHOULD BE OUT IN ABOUT 3 1/2 MONTHS. DO YOU THINK THE PS3 WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER BY MARCH OR APRIL? CAUSE IF NOT WOULD IT BE BETTER IF I GET IT NOW. THANKS
Well considering PS3 is already out in Lowell, Massachusetts I'd think you could go and get one today if it interested you. I would consider buying an Xbox 360 first though.
PS3 you'll get F1 Championship Edition and with Xbox 360 you can try PGR4, Viva Piñata, Perfect Dark Zero and Fuzion Frenzy 2. The choice is yours.
5tatic
12-23-2007, 12:16 PM
Well considering PS3 is already out in Lowell, Massachusetts I'd think you could go and get one today if it interested you. I would consider buying an Xbox 360 first though.
PS3 you'll get F1 Championship Edition and with Xbox 360 you can try PGR4, Viva Piñata, Perfect Dark Zero and Fuzion Frenzy 2. The choice is yours.
lol. Another fanboy in the staff. great
I dont think it'll get any cheaper until August next year. You might as well wait. If you're lucky, the price may go down. If you're not, you can still get the PS3 at the same price as it is now.
Also, calm down with the caps. It just makes things annoying to read.
I'm not really sure there is a contest. You can have a PS3 which has two good exclusive games (F1 and Ratchet and Clank) or Xbox 360 which has at least ten. All of the other games are on both consoles and since Xbox 360 is cheaper, has a better online service and a better controller, I'd say Xbox 360 is the better buy.
Guitar Slinger™
12-23-2007, 12:51 PM
Yeah i agree with 5tatic, you might as well wait till March or April time, the PS3 may have come down in price. I'm waiting till then so GTA IV will be the first game i play on the PS3.
5tatic
12-23-2007, 12:52 PM
I'm not really sure there is a contest. You can have a PS3 which has two good exclusive games (F1 and Ratchet and Clank) or Xbox 360 which has at least ten. All of the other games are on both consoles and since Xbox 360 is cheaper, has a better online service and a better controller, I'd say Xbox 360 is the better buy.
I agree about xbox 360 having the better better controller, better online service, but not cheaper. You still have to pay to get the Gold service which is like £35 a year. So in about 2 years, you've had spend more on your 360 than you would have with your PS3. With PS3, you don't need to. I don't get any lag either. With the PS3 exclusive part, there's games like Uncharted, Haze, UT3, LA Noire, Warhawk, GT5, Killzone 2 etc.
Grimmy
12-23-2007, 12:54 PM
3 of those games aren't even out yet. And UT3 is not an exlcusive.
Slim Trashman
12-23-2007, 12:54 PM
Neil was not kidding around when he brought up the 360, GMC. Xbox LIVE is incredible, has much larger user base than that of the PS3, much larger library of games, it's a bit cheaper, plus looking at it from a GTA perspective, the Marketplace will be getting GTA IV episodic content which at this time is only known to be exclusive to the Xbox 360. Not trying to say the PS3 a complete let down here, after all, I bought one a few days after it was released. At this time the PS3 really isn't a match for the 360, but some things to consider would be PlayStation Home, coming out some time during the first quarter of 2008; any first party (PS3 exclusive) games such as MGS4; free online service (Xbox LIVE costs $50/year for online play); playing GTA IV with the native controller, which is a big one for me personally; and having a pretty, shiny, black console sitting in your living room or where ever.
All of the current generation consoles have their pros and cons and advantages over each other, but to answer your question about whether or not PS3 is worth getting during the holidays this year, I'd primarily say it's not worth it quite yet, but if you don't have anything to play GTA IV on, then spring for one or the other.
I forgot to mention that even the top games are often pushed back on PlayStation 3 due to development issues. The Orange Box and Colin McRae: DiRT are two of these (from experienced developers Electronic Arts/Valve and Codemasters) and it would be pretty disheartening to see your friends enjoying the latest games while you are stuck with nothing to play because it's been delayed on PS3.
I used to own a PS3. I sold it because I didn't think it was a worthwhile console to own at that time and I still don't. Unless you desperately want a Blu Ray player or a web browser on your console it has literally nothing to offer that is superior to Xbox 360.
Mousey
12-23-2007, 12:55 PM
imo wait for the pricedrop and more games to be released. for now at least 360 is better i think
Japisee
12-23-2007, 12:56 PM
I'm not really sure there is a contest. You can have a PS3 which has two good exclusive games (F1 and Ratchet and Clank) or Xbox 360 which has at least ten. All of the other games are on both consoles and since Xbox 360 is cheaper, has a better online service and a better controller, I'd say Xbox 360 is the better buy.
As of now, 360 is indeed better. But that's thanks to the fact that the thing launched a year earlier than its competition. Argument about 360 having the better controller is invalid, I like Sixaxis as much. It's 100% subjective.
Better online service; true, but you have to pay for it. PS3's Home looks quite interesting, I'm anxious on how it will compete with XBL.
5tatic
12-23-2007, 12:57 PM
I forgot to mention that even the top games are often pushed back on PlayStation 3 due to development issues. The Orange Box and Colin McRae: DiRT are two of these (from experienced developers Electronic Arts/Valve and Codemasters) and it would be pretty disheartening to see your friends enjoying the latest games while you are stuck with nothing to play because it's been delayed on PS3.
ugh yeah, pro evo has to be the worst game i've seen with FPS problems on the ps3.
Slim Trashman
12-23-2007, 02:52 PM
Forgot to move this to Video Games Chat..
I'd get one now, I doubt there will be another price drop before GT5, Killzone 2 an MGS4 come out because those are system selling games. Plus you have games like UTIII, Resistance, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Clank, F1, GT5P and Uncharted that are all already availlible now to play. Plus Xbox Live is not that much better, Infact when it comes to actually playing games online i find the PS3 performs alot better because of dedicated servers. But the 360 has much better connectivity between users on your friends list, But i mean any PC Online gamer would tell you that is not a neccesity.
@Neil: As demonstrated by my comments above, The PS3 has alot more then 2 good exclusive games. But thats subject to opinion, Plus majority of the PS3 "development issues" are due to nothing more then porting Xbox 360 games based on a simple architechture over to the PS3 with a complicated architechture. Infact lately the PS3 has been getting same day releases and in some casses the games perform better on the PS3. But i do agree the 360 has a far superior range of games overall.
I'm not so sure these development issues are from porting alone.
He was talking about the delays of the multiplatform games that are Xbox 360 ports which also perform worse on the PS3. The main reason they perform worse on the PS3 is because they are ported from the 360 hardware Which does not suit the PS3 at all. But developing is definately harder for the PS3 due to the complicated hardware and undoubtedly has caused issues in PS3 exclusives. But the porting factor is definately the culprate when it comes to multiplatform game releasing later and performing worse on the PS3 hardwar. I mean a few dev's have already shown that when the game is built from the ground up for each platfor they look and play basically the same.
Shadow Conception
12-23-2007, 08:43 PM
I dunno, but Call of Duty 4 ran 60FPS constant on PS3 AND 360. And Oblivion PS3 ran and looked much better than the 360 version.
So it falls down to how experienced/how much time the developer is willing to devote to their games.
Personally, if I could get a 360 right now, only game that'd be worth looking forward to would be Alan Wake. I'd still get a 360 if I could, but I think PS3 and its exclusives suit my tastes better.
Slim Trashman
12-23-2007, 09:58 PM
Is Alan Wake being released on PC as well? I thought it was..
Shadow Conception
12-23-2007, 11:02 PM
Yeah, but you'll pretty much need a monster PC to run it.
It's gonna be the Crysis of 2008.
I dunno, but Call of Duty 4 ran 60FPS constant on PS3 AND 360. And Oblivion PS3 ran and looked much better than the 360 version.
So it falls down to how experienced/how much time the developer is willing to devote to their games.
Personally, if I could get a 360 right now, only game that'd be worth looking forward to would be Alan Wake. I'd still get a 360 if I could, but I think PS3 and its exclusives suit my tastes better.There's a lot more exclusives than that which you'd enjoy. ;P
phreak
12-23-2007, 11:12 PM
Yeah, but you'll pretty much need a monster PC to run it.
It's gonna be the Crysis of 2008.
Whoa you got that right. *Hugs 360*
Piggus
12-23-2007, 11:16 PM
Alan Wake isn't even an exclusive. :P
That's the problem with the 360 though. If you don't have a powerful PC, then it's great. But if you do, there's absolutely nothing on it that makes it worth the money. The the good games are either on PS3 as well, PC, or both (Assassin's Creed, COD4, Alan Wake, Gears of War, and expect an announcement regarding PC versions of Halo 3 and Mass Effect soon.)
EDIT: Uhh, Alan Wake was demoed on an X1800XT. It's not going to be like Crysis in terms of system requirements. It doesn't have nearly as many effects going on.
PS3 as well (with performance issues)*
If you have money, a 360 might not be worth it, but not everyone does. I sure as hell don't. I can't upgrade my PC even once every three years. The most I can do is get a graphics card around a year after I get it and then leave it at that until it dies.
A lot of you guys take things for granted, because I'd love to get even a quarter of what one of you do all year round. (the members on here who upgrade often)
edit: I think your analogies drive away people who would actually benefit from owning a 360.
I dunno, but Call of Duty 4 ran 60FPS constant on PS3 AND 360. And Oblivion PS3 ran and looked much better than the 360 version.
So it falls down to how experienced/how much time the developer is willing to devote to their games.
Personally, if I could get a 360 right now, only game that'd be worth looking forward to would be Alan Wake. I'd still get a 360 if I could, but I think PS3 and its exclusives suit my tastes better.
I should hope Oblivion looks better. 360 and PS3's Oblivion release dates are a year apart, PS3 owners got something more optimized for their wait. To be truthful I watched the HD clip comparisons, and I cant honestly say I saw an amazing difference.
Either way get whichever console you like. With the 360, a lot of good games are out already, but with the PS3, you'll only have a smaller selection until next year. Waiting to buy a PS3 after the holidays is the best idea imho, they have a lot of sales on after Christmas, that way you'll score some extras later on :)
Shadow Conception
12-23-2007, 11:24 PM
PS3 as well (with performance issues)*
If you have money, a 360 might not be worth it, but not everyone does. I sure as hell don't. I can't upgrade my PC even once every three years. The most I can do is get a graphics card around a year after I get it and then leave it at that until it dies.
A lot of you guys take things for granted, because I'd love to get even a quarter of what one of you do all year round. (the members on here who upgrade often)
Can't you get a job over the summer or something? You'll have money some to spend for yourself.
I should hope Oblivion looks better. 360 and PS3's Oblivion release dates are a year apart, PS3 owners got something more optimized for their wait. To be truthful I watched the HD clip comparisons, and I cant honestly say I saw an amazing difference.
It's sort of subjective. I know people that are all like "OMFG THIS LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MY OBLIVION WTF" when they come over. I dunno, I guess that's what happens when you play a game too much, you begin memorizing the textures or something.
I'd much rather save most of my money. I can't spend that much on PC upgrades. I'm not even going to buy hardly any games with the money I should soon be making.
edit: I'll be getting a 360 and a slew amount of games. I want an affordable graphics card just so I can play games like CSS smoothly.
It's sort of subjective. I know people that are all like "OMFG THIS LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MY OBLIVION WTF" when they come over. I dunno, I guess that's what happens when you play a game too much, you begin memorizing the textures or something.
I had Oblivion for PC only. Never would I play an RPG on a console. Unless it was turn-based, or if it was Dark Cloud.
Man I loved that game.
Shadow Conception
12-23-2007, 11:34 PM
Ahh.
@Piggus: It was demoed on a machine with an X1800XT... but with a Core 2 Quad OC'd to 3.73GHz, wasn't it? :P
But holy crap, if all I'll need to upgrade is my CPU to play the game...
~Schwab
12-23-2007, 11:35 PM
There probably will be a PC Halo 3, but I'm not expecting Mass Effect to make it on.
I love my 360, and I recommend getting one.
Shadow Conception
12-23-2007, 11:39 PM
Y'know what, nvm, Alan Wake is Vista-exclusive. And if I get a new mobo, my Vista OEM license is gonna expire.
Fuck that shit, I'd rather get a 360 for Alan Wake. Or maybe not, my dad gets access to this non-profit marketplace where you can get OSes like Vista and XP cheap (XP 64 = $8). So yeah, I dunno.
Edit: And Vista Business is $10 (both 32- and 64-bit). So I might, I dunno. Hopefully if I save enough money over the summer.
Piggus
12-24-2007, 01:20 AM
There probably will be a PC Halo 3, but I'm not expecting Mass Effect to make it on.
I love my 360, and I recommend getting one.
Bioware almost always releases PC versions of their games about a year after the console version. Expect an announcement at E3, if sooner.
@Scon: Alan Wake was demoed on an X1800XT with a semi-decent Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon X2 CPU. If it needed a quad-core CPU to look like that, it wouldn't run on the 360. With that said though, it will require at least a dual core CPU to run.
@Olin: The PS3 performance issue trend isn't going to last much longer. Already, more and more third party devs are making PS3 the lead platform for their console games (Criterion, Pandemic, Epic, Capcom, etc) and they're realizing that this benefits both products and not just the 360. Within a year, I doubt you'll see many more crappy PS3 ports.
PC gaming is dead to me (and I was at one stage a very serious hardcore PC gamer) and I see no real future for the platform. I think most multiplatform developers are looking at it like this too, hell even Valve have started publishing games on consoles at the same time as PC now.
phreak
12-24-2007, 10:56 AM
PC gaming is dead to me (and I was at one stage a very serious hardcore PC gamer) and I see no real future for the platform. I think most multiplatform developers are looking at it like this too, hell even Valve have started publishing games on consoles at the same time as PC now.
Main reason being, you need like $10K+ computer in order to run them at max, which is for the best performance and the way the game was meant to be played/seen. Or you can buy a new console and play the games at near max for $500 or less. And you don't have to worry about upgrading all the time.
I could have a computer with:
4x Quad Core processors
4x Top End video cards (8800GTX w/ SLI for ex)
8GB RAM
2TB Hard Drive
1920x1200 full HD monitor
And it still couldn't handle Crysis or Alan Wake at max. Ridiculous. People simply cannot afford to run these games at max on PCs, which is why I never could get myself to be a PC gamer. Just way too much money trying to keep up.
It's really nothing to do with cost to me, it's the fact that Microsoft have perfected the console controller and it's so much easier just to load up the game from a disc than to install it and mess about with drivers and all that other nonsense. Call me a casual if you like but I just don't really care about PC games any more!
mattt
12-24-2007, 12:49 PM
Sucks for you then.
Shadow Conception
12-24-2007, 01:21 PM
How're you gonna perfect a controller completely? It's a matter of what controller feels better in your hands, and 360 controller sure as hell doesn't feel comfy in my hands. One controller that appeals to everybody's tastes isn't possible.
Sixaxis feels better because I'm used to it, but I've yet to come across the "ideal" controller that you're speaking of.
cyrix
12-24-2007, 02:28 PM
Main reason being, you need like $10K+ computer in order to run them at max, which is for the best performance and the way the game was meant to be played/seen. Or you can buy a new console and play the games at near max for $500 or less. And you don't have to worry about upgrading all the time.
I could have a computer with:
4x Quad Core processors
4x Top End video cards (8800GTX w/ SLI for ex)
8GB RAM
2TB Hard Drive
1920x1200 full HD monitor
And it still couldn't handle Crysis or Alan Wake at max. Ridiculous. People simply cannot afford to run these games at max on PCs, which is why I never could get myself to be a PC gamer. Just way too much money trying to keep up.
Are you nuts? Either you're insanely over exaggerating or you're just insane.
The problem people run into is they try to push resolutions up to a ridiculous scale that is pointless.
No one needs to run games at 1080p right now. Many people still play games at 1024x768. What makes us think gaming is going to advance that much so quickly?How're you gonna perfect a controller completely? It's a matter of what controller feels better in your hands, and 360 controller sure as hell doesn't feel comfy in my hands. One controller that appeals to everybody's tastes isn't possible.
Sixaxis feels better because I'm used to it, but I've yet to come across the "ideal" controller that you're speaking of.The DualShock and 360 controller designs are both very good. You could easily pick up a 360 controller in a very short time. I could do the same with the DualShock if I wanted to.
Perfecting a controller means creating a design that accommodates many hand sizes and finger lengths. There are the select few who don't like the controller, but this is usually just preference for another (like you, for example). I can pick up the 360 controller for the first time and not say it's horrible, meaning it serves its purpose.
Urrr. I run Crysis at max. I don't get 2,000 fps, but I get playable fps.
Also I feel the 360 controller is something people will get used to much quicker than the PS controller. Being a pretty hardcore Playstation player for at least the last 10 years (with both dual shock and analogue) I will admit this. I think this is mainly due to the 360 controller being somewhat heavier.
Though I dunno, I hated the shit out of the original Xbox controller. The 360 controller just feels so smooth and unlike the PS controller it doesn't sweat out of your hands.
BUT, mouse n keyboard for life.
5tatic
12-24-2007, 03:11 PM
Urrr. I run Crysis at max. I don't get 2,000 fps, but I get playable fps.
You must have a very expensive set-up because these guys had to get over $1800 in graphics cards just to run it at very high http://www.gemaga.com/2007/12/12/over-1800-in-video-cards-to-run-crysis-on-very-high
Why the hell would you run Crysis at very high at this point? It's just not worth it. On high it's still the best looking game on the market, and you don't need thousands of dollars worth of upgrades to play that at 1024x768 with a tiny splash of AF and a decent framerate.
passage
12-24-2007, 03:21 PM
The controller was perfected many years ago with the keyboard and mouse.
Shadow Conception
12-24-2007, 03:50 PM
Yeah, it's absolutely perfect for racing games, isn't it?
Grimmy
12-24-2007, 04:06 PM
The controller was perfected eons ago. It's called a Joystick :)
phreak
12-24-2007, 04:48 PM
Yes cyrix, I was exaggerating a little, but come on, it's kinda funny once you think about it :P
And Passage? Keyboard/mouse works for FPS, that's it. Hell no would I play Forza 2 or any driving/racing game with a mouse and lame keyboard keys. All other games work fine with controllers too.
passage
12-24-2007, 05:38 PM
Yeah, it's absolutely perfect for racing games, isn't it?
and the sixaxis is just absolutely perfect for first person shooters, isn't it?
LET'S ARGUE WITH THIS LOGIC.
@phreak
key board+mouse: FPS, RTS
console controllers: racing, adventure
playing an RTS on a console controller is hell.
Shadow Conception
12-24-2007, 05:41 PM
You're insisting that keyboard/mouse is perfect, which it's not.
Nor is Sixaxis, but that's beside the point.
passage
12-24-2007, 05:42 PM
It is perfect for FPS and RTS, which are really the only games I play.
Grimmy
12-25-2007, 02:17 AM
I think playing a FPS with the 360 controller is awesome. But that's just my opinion, though.. :(
I like playing a fps with a controller if everyone else I'm playing with is using one.
cyrix
12-25-2007, 01:19 PM
You must have a very expensive set-up because these guys had to get over $1800 in graphics cards just to run it at very high http://www.gemaga.com/2007/12/12/over-1800-in-video-cards-to-run-crysis-on-very-high
That is a very high resolution though, which is exactly my point...
We don't need to run games at resolutions that high. Hell I don't go higher than 1024 because that works just fine for me. Anything higher is just a dick showing competition IMO.
You're insisting that keyboard/mouse is perfect, which it's not.
Nor is Sixaxis, but that's beside the point.
Actually, the mouse and keyboard are perfect, they were perfected quite a while ago. The precision and accuracy is incredible, which is why many gamers prefer a mouse and keyboard.
I love playing any type of game with a keyboard and mouse. Action, adventure, rpg, fps, racing, etc.
RPG's being played with a controller should be banned unless its a TBRPG.
Also why do you need to run games at 1920x1200.. 1280x1024 on a 19" monitor is good enough =/
Unless its a very unoptimized game like Guitar Hero, where you have to disable everything and play at 1024x768 to have a playable game -.-
phreak
12-25-2007, 02:47 PM
Keyboard and mouse for racing.
Really.
Just no. You need sensitivity, which keyboards just don't offer. Nor do mouse clicks. You race with a controller or steering wheel/pedal set. That is it.
No matter how hard you try, you won't win this argument.
You do realise controllers are also available for use on PCs, don't you?
Shadow Conception
12-25-2007, 04:04 PM
But the argument here is that whether or not keyboard/mouse is "perfect". Which IMO, it is far from.
I played DiRT on my PC with keyboard/mouse, and it was hell. I had to hook up the Sixaxis to the PC to get maximum playability. Sure you can play a racing game with mouse and keyboard, but it'd never be as accurate as an analog stick.
Probably the best setup for handling cars (with precision) on a PC was found in Halo, where you used the mouse to steer. But then that would feel pretty awkward in a fast-paced racing game.
Games like FIFA 08, Devil May Cry 3, skate., Tony Hawk, Street Fighter, Burnout... these games would handle terribly on keyboard and mouse. And I can vouch for DMC3, a controller was an absolute necessity on the PC version.
I'm not gonna argue that kb/m is ideal for RTS and FPS. That's something that anyone can agree with.
passage
12-25-2007, 04:17 PM
FIFA is actually alright on PC, same with a lot of sport games. Controllers are only useful for racing games and it's arguable if sport games are better on PC or controller. Matter of preference really. So yes, one genre out of the most popular ones play better with a controller. The others, no.
But the argument here is that whether or not keyboard/mouse is "perfect". Which IMO, it is far from.
Actually, the argument was PC gaming versus console gaming until someone decided mouse and keyboard was the only means of control for PC games.
Also, you can become just as good at a PC racer using a keyobard or mouse as you can using a steering wheel. It just takes more practice.
phreak
12-25-2007, 05:30 PM
No shit ZCAB, of course there's controllers for PCs. His argument was that keyboard/mouse works for racing games, which it absolutely does not. You need steering precision and gas/brake sensitivity, you don't get that from a keyboard or a mouse. When I play GTA, I cannot stand using a keyboard to control the vehicles, I cannot imagine how bad it would suck for any racing type game.
But the argument here is that whether or not keyboard/mouse is "perfect". Which IMO, it is far from.
I played DiRT on my PC with keyboard/mouse, and it was hell. I had to hook up the Sixaxis to the PC to get maximum playability. Sure you can play a racing game with mouse and keyboard, but it'd never be as accurate as an analog stick.
Probably the best setup for handling cars (with precision) on a PC was found in Halo, where you used the mouse to steer. But then that would feel pretty awkward in a fast-paced racing game.
Games like FIFA 08, Devil May Cry 3, skate., Tony Hawk, Street Fighter, Burnout... these games would handle terribly on keyboard and mouse. And I can vouch for DMC3, a controller was an absolute necessity on the PC version.
I'm not gonna argue that kb/m is ideal for RTS and FPS. That's something that anyone can agree with.
You mean easier right? Sixaxis to you is easier :P
If by accurate you mean varied, then yes, the controller is extremely more accurate, I guess.
A mouse and keyboard will always beat a sixaxis/360/etc controller in accuracy. But I do understand you like the feel of analogue controls for smoother racing :)
Keyboard and mouse for racing.
Really.
Just no. You need sensitivity, which keyboards just don't offer. Nor do mouse clicks. You race with a controller or steering wheel/pedal set. That is it.
No matter how hard you try, you won't win this argument.
I won the argument before you even replied. I race with a keyboard and mouse. :)
phreak
12-25-2007, 07:04 PM
You race...what, exactly? Mario Kart emulators don't count.
This Keyboard Vs Controller shit was settled on a show called Cybershack in Australia, They held a tournament to see what's better between the two. And out of the 6 players (3 controllers vs 3 keyboards) the two controller players won and one keyboard player wonhis game. This was in a FPS too, So really i think neither is better and it all comes down to what you prefer using.
If only someone could offer the precision of analog control (in place of keyboard) and the precision of a mouse (for aiming) all at once.
passage
12-25-2007, 10:32 PM
No..it's obv that you can aim 10x more exact with a keyboard and mouse. We don't need "tests" to show this.
We all know the mouse is the best for aiming, but we're forgetting many other things gaming does besides shoot things.
passage
12-25-2007, 10:35 PM
Yeah I agree with your previous post. The hybrid would be amazing.
Yeah but unless your playing a sniping game when is that kind of pin point accuracy needed? I believe what i see with my own eyes not what some person on a internet forum tells me to believe. Not to mention i own my friend on COD4 when he uses a k/b and mouse and i use *gasp* a controller.
passage
12-25-2007, 10:40 PM
Firing any gun in existence? Have you ever played an FPS before? The "sniper" isn't the only gun you have to aim with. The other guns in the game don't just lock on.
I was talking about PERCISION aiming, Learn how to read before you respond.
Auto aim is stupid. I hate using it even when I'm playing with a controller. It only makes sniping that much harder on games like Halo.
Halo 3 sucks. I was doing that thing, with the big scarab tank, one of my own people shot me with a rocket.
passage
12-25-2007, 10:49 PM
I was talking about PERCISION aiming, Learn how to read before you respond.
I'm sorry. I thought that when people were talking about precision aiming, they mention the word "precision" at least once or twice (particularly before the word "aiming.")
I'm sorry. I thought that when people were talking about precision aiming, they mention the word "precision" at least once or twice (particularly before the word "aiming.")
What so "pin point accuracy" isn't another term for percision nowadays?
passage
12-25-2007, 10:57 PM
What's your point, anyway? Are you seriously arguing that the only gun you need to precisely and accurately aim with is the sniper rifle? Are you saying that if I pick up an assault rifle, I won't need to aim carefully with it, because I'll just spray a lot of bullets and therefore I'll kill everyone? If I use a pistol, I'll just hope one of the bullets hits someone if I aim in their general direction?
There's a reason why some console FPS have automatic lock-on with some weapons, whereas virtually no PC FPS has that. Oh, maybe that's why you think you don't need to aim precisely and accurately--in all the games you play, every weapon except the sniper rifle automatically aims itself.
Not to mention i own my friend on COD4 when he uses a k/b and mouse and i use *gasp* a controller.
Did it ever occur to you that you might be good and your friend might be *gasp* a nub?
Read my first. My point is that whatever you prefer using will undoubtedly make you preform better, That most of the advantage PC owners talk about is because they are more comfortable with their controls. My pioint with percision aiming was not that you dont need great accuracy to play an FPS, But that a controller provides the enough accuracy to be competitive with the K/B mouse controlls, Which has been proven to me when i rape people on COD4 (PC) with a controller.
So I just finished my 19th year of karate and my friend picked up an mp5 from a street dealer. He's gonna be using it for his first time at our showdown tonight.
We're gonna prove what type of force is better.
passage
12-25-2007, 11:11 PM
Read my first. My point is that whatever you prefer using will undoubtedly make you preform better, That most of the advantage PC owners talk about is because they are more comfortable with their controls. My pioint with percision aiming was not that you dont need great accuracy to play an FPS, But that a controller provides the enough accuracy to be competitive with the K/B mouse controlls, Which has been proven to me when i rape people on COD4 (PC) with a controller.
If you can sometimes own certain people who are playing with a keyboard and mouse while you're using a controller, you honestly think that proves the controller can normally compete with the keyboard and mouse in every possible circumstance? Try playing against people who actually know what the hell they're doing with their mouse, and then come back and say that you beat them using a controller.
I want to get that keyboard/mouse adapter for 360. I just can't outperform these occasional players who play godlike and it annoys me.
That doesn't really come into play since i am playing everyone on a server which is like 20+ people, They all can't be noobs can they. Not to mention my mate is good at COD4 and it's either me or him who finish top of the table in every game. If K/B and mouse was that much of an advantage i wouldn't finish top nearly every game, Against people who have played the game longer and who are ranked higher.
All i'm saying is that the advantage is in the eye of the beholder, If you like controllers using one will be an advantage to you and same for the k/b and mouse.
passage
12-25-2007, 11:19 PM
That doesn't really come into play since i am playing everyone on a server which is like 20+ people, They all can't be noobs can they. Not to mention my mate is good at COD4 and it's either me or him who finish top of the table in every game. If K/B and mouse was that much of an advantage i wouldn't finish top nearly every game, Against people who have played the game longer and who are ranked higher.
All i'm saying is that the advantage is in the eye of the beholder, If you like controllers using one will be an advantage to you and same for the k/b and mouse.
The advantage is in the eye of the beholder?
That's like saying whether a Toyota handles better than a Ferrari is in the eye of the beholder. You can like your Toyota, but that doesn't mean it's gonna be able to perform on the racetrack.
There's an objective difference between using a controller, and using a keyboard and mouse. Therefore, the advantages and disadvantages can't possibly be subjective.
Tell that to the countless 'farrari' owners who get raped by my 'toyota' when i'm playing COD4.
Shadow Conception
12-25-2007, 11:27 PM
19th year of karate would probably be better, dude would have enough concentration and focus to run for his fucking life.
passage
12-25-2007, 11:36 PM
Tell that to the countless 'farrari' owners who get raped by my 'toyota' when i'm playing COD4.
First of all, I was showing how your flawed logic can lead to ridiculous conclusions when used in other arguments. It's called reductio ad absurdum, a concept you're obviously not familiar with because you missed the whole point of my post. And second of all, for the last time, there are always exceptions to the rule. You and your friend are probably ridiculously good at COD4. That fact doesn't make the control scheme you use automatically better, because contrary to your beliefs, the atomic makeup of the physical matter of every controller in the universe isn't effected by how well you're able to use it.
And finally, what do you have to say to my other argument? The advantages and disadvantages of objective things cannot possibly be subjective. Perhaps you decided to not respond to that because you knew I was right? Or perhaps you decided to not respond to that because you didn't want to bother looking up the words "objective" and "subjective" on dictionary.com? Regardless, I'd like to actually hear your logic as to how all the advantages and disadvantages of objectively different things are, in fact, completely subjective.
Piggus
12-25-2007, 11:44 PM
That doesn't really come into play since i am playing everyone on a server which is like 20+ people, They all can't be noobs can they. Not to mention my mate is good at COD4 and it's either me or him who finish top of the table in every game. If K/B and mouse was that much of an advantage i wouldn't finish top nearly every game, Against people who have played the game longer and who are ranked higher.
All i'm saying is that the advantage is in the eye of the beholder, If you like controllers using one will be an advantage to you and same for the k/b and mouse.
It depends entirely on the game. If you played Counter-Strike or UT3 on PC with a keyboard and mouse, you'd be straight up fucked. I've seen people try to play CSS with a controller (and I've tried as well) and it's just embarrassing. On the other hand, games like Gears of War and even Bioshock and Crysis (for me at least) feel much better when using a 360 controller, and I know I could easily do well in Gears online with a controller. It doesn't require the same lightning-fast movements that UT3 and CSS does.
No i didn't bother responding to you comments because i was done with this discussion. It's going no where, Of course a mouse offers more percision, I never tried to deny that. But what i was saying is if i prefer controllers and hate using a k/b and mouse then i will perform better while using a controller. Same goes for k/b and mouse users, They prefer using a k/b and mouse and will probably perform better while using it. Which is why i said the advantage is in the eyes of the beholder.
passage
12-25-2007, 11:47 PM
19th year of karate would probably be better, dude would have enough concentration and focus to run for his fucking life.
...either you posted this in the wrong thread, or you're seriously mistaken as to what this conversation is about.
Check the previous page for my post, Passage.
passage
12-25-2007, 11:59 PM
No i didn't bother responding to you comments because i was done with this discussion. It's going no where, Of course a mouse offers more percision, I never tried to deny that. But what i was saying is if i prefer controllers and hate using a k/b and mouse then i will perform better while using a controller. Same goes for k/b and mouse users, They prefer using a k/b and mouse and will probably perform better while using it. Which is why i said the advantage is in the eyes of the beholder.
You did respond to my comments. You just didn't respond to all of them. If you were done with the discussion you wouldn't have responded to anything.
People who prefer controllers only prefer them because they've been using them a lot more than they use keyboards and mice. Naturally they're better at them, because they're more used to them. I can guarantee you that if you played COD4 using a keyboard and mouse for as long as you've been using a controller, you would be way better with the keyboard and mouse.
Preference directly stems from how used to a certain control scheme you are, and therefore preference is based on an objective variable. Therefore, advantage isn't in the eye of the beholder.
The reason this conversation is getting nowhere is because you never actually manage to try to counter my logic, except for when you miss my point entirely. You just keep reiterating your one argument for controllers, over and over--so of course we're getting nowhere, you're the one who isn't moving!
To shorten Passage's point; You may be better at a controller than a keyboard and mouse, but the keyboard and mouse have much greater potential in certain game types (namely FPS titles).
passage
12-26-2007, 12:04 AM
To shorten Passage's point; You may be better at a controller than a keyboard and mouse, but the keyboard and mouse have much greater potential in certain game types (namely FPS titles).
Um, not exactly. That was my point, but not the one I made in my last post.
To shorten my most recent point; you may be better at a controller than a keyboard and mouse, but that's only because you've used the former more than the latter.
So I guess you're not arguing that the keyboard and mouse are better at things?
passage
12-26-2007, 12:11 AM
So I guess you're not arguing that the keyboard and mouse are better at things?
I am. But unlike Fry, I'm making more than one point.
So should we combine our two posts?
Edit: It appears you had edited your post. Oh.
Um, not exactly. That was my point, but not the one I made in my last post.
To shorten my most recent point; you may be better at a controller than a keyboard and mouse, but that's only because you've used the former more than the latter.
Well done, You just said exactly what i have been saying the whole time, I never once claimed the controller is better then a kyyboard and mouse. I said the advantage is in the eyes of the beholder, Meaning if i like controllers more i will perform better with them. Same goes for k/b and mouse, Show me where i claimed the controller to be better then the k/b and mouse. I did say the controller is definately capable of challenging the k/b and mouse but i never claimed it to be better.
Maybe it's the way you type out your posts, which tend to confuse even russian scientists.
Well next time i'll write a full length novel and get my english teacher to proof read it so you can understand it better. I dont really see how me saying "the advantage is in the eye of the beholde, if you prefer controllers you'l perform better with them.....r" is confusiing unless english isn't your preferred language.
phreak
12-26-2007, 11:39 AM
I might get a PS3.
Get Uncharted. It > Halo 3.
Does Uncharted have superior online play?
Does Uncharted have some form of AI. Halo 3 lacks it.
Halo 3 is almost good, I'll admit it, but its very... meh.
Piggus
12-26-2007, 06:17 PM
Does Uncharted have superior online play?
Uncharted is a classic action-adventure game. It doesn't need online to be great. I really don't see the whole obsession with online multiplayer these days... Other than maybe a co-op mode, an online mode in Uncharded would feel like a last minute add-on. It just wouldn't work given the game's theme and setting.
I was wondering why it was being compared to Halo.
Jimmy_86
12-26-2007, 07:56 PM
There's a lot of that going about...
Burnout is an arcade style game whereas FM (and GT) is more simulation based. I don't know about PGR. It just depends what you prefer, realism & simulation vs arcade action.
Apparently that doesn't matter though since they're all games.
Super Mario Galaxy > Forza 2 :smash:
Damn, do I hate those questions.
"WHAT'S BETTER GUITARHERO OR GTA???"
phreak
12-27-2007, 06:56 AM
I was wondering why it was being compared to Halo.
They're widely accepted as the two "must have" games for each system. Though wildly different, comparisons are inevitable.
passage
12-27-2007, 12:04 PM
I thought the "must have" was MGS?
phreak
12-27-2007, 12:16 PM
I thought the "must have" was MGS?
Sure, go pick it up right now.
Look Passage, you neg rep me not even leaving your name, some kind of cheap shot because you think you are somebody. You're shit, okay. Next time, PM if you have something to say. Otherwise, keep your face shut, grow a pair of balls, and accept that not everyone's opinions will match yours.
And stop arguing with me, it goes nowhere in the end.
passage
12-27-2007, 12:58 PM
Sure, go pick it up right now.
Look Passage, you neg rep me not even leaving your name, some kind of cheap shot because you think you are somebody. You're shit, okay. Next time, PM if you have something to say. Otherwise, keep your face shut, grow a pair of balls, and accept that not everyone's opinions will match yours.
And stop arguing with me, it goes nowhere in the end.
Um what?
I've never neg repped you.
Go ahead and ask a mod to look for you. I've never negged rep you. I give permission to any mod/admin to publicly post my "neg reps" to phreak. If you think an inquiring question is the start of an argument I may have to look up the word "argument" for you.
I thought the "must have" was MGS?
^supposed "argument" see below for actual definition
Argument [ahr-gyuh-muhn] noun-: a discussion involving differing points of view; debate
Also I am in no way shape or form fecal matter, and arguing with you does go somewhere in the end. It ends with you looking like an idiot, and me winning.
Could you please either both shut the fuck up or give me a large spoon to gouge my eyes out?
Grimmy
12-27-2007, 01:33 PM
internet (rep) is serious business.
5tatic
12-27-2007, 01:35 PM
I'm surprised this hasn't been closed yet.
passage
12-27-2007, 03:08 PM
Could you please either both shut the fuck up or give me a large spoon to gouge my eyes out?
Sorry if I defended myself from an unprovoked attack.
Sorry if I assumed you could peacefully let phreak boil in his own immature rage.