PS3 better in the long run?

[Др.хуй]

Well I'm getting a 360 for Christmas, iv researched SO much and decided to get myself a 360.
I am a PS fan boy but hey i decided to make a change, I just don't really like the look of the PS3 all that much.

I was reading around and i read somewhere that Microsoft says they wont be making and HD-DVD games?
But Sony will be making Blu-Ray games eventually (Approx. end 2008/within 2009)

Does this mean that PS3 games will be alot better in quality and graphics then 360 and that 360 will continue to make dual layer DVD games?

Doesnt matter to me considering i chose 360 just for the game play, But this thought has just crossed my mind and i cant find an answer.

[Yam Trigger]

I'm used to using Play Stations, so I'm going to stick with a PS3 for GTA IV.

[ska]

Song already are making Blu-ray games.

[The_Patient]

Well I'm getting a 360 for Christmas, iv researched SO much and decided to get myself a 360.
I am a PS fan boy but hey i decided to make a change, I just don't really like the look of the PS3 all that much.

I was reading around and i read somewhere that Microsoft says they wont be making and HD-DVD games?
But Sony will be making Blu-Ray games eventually (Approx. end 2008/within 2009)

Does this mean that PS3 games will be alot better in quality and graphics then 360 and that 360 will continue to make dual layer DVD games?

Doesnt matter to me considering i chose 360 just for the game play, But this thought has just crossed my mind and i cant find an answer.
You don't like the way the PS3 looks? I think it's smexy. There won't be alot of difference between PS3/360 games graphically, Only like HDR Lighting or something, Like Uncharted has. But yeah, Blu-Ray's have been in production since the beginning of the PS3, You get a free one when you register for PSN :P

[5tatic]

They're making blu-ray games and when games get bigger, blu-ray will be an advantage. I doubt games are gonna take up more than 10~15GB though.

[Olin]

The difference between the two is, and will be too small to consider. Unless they decided to stick these consoles in for a much longer period than last-gen was around.

[Shadow Conception]

Blu-Ray'll only be taken advantage of by a spare few companies, mainly because the 360 is now the most influential and lead console for many developers.

MGS4 and Killzone 2 are the only two games I foresee using more than a single-layer Blu-Ray disc.

[The_Patient]

Blu-Ray'll only be taken advantage of by a spare few companies, mainly because the 360 is now the most influential and lead console for many developers.
This is why I am looking forward to Burnout Paradise, The lead console is the PS3, As was CoD4, Which pwned. Hopefully, More developers will follow suit.

[juggalo_4_ever]

lol blockbuster is going Bluray ONLY, and warner is thinking about it, and ps3 has so much more power than people are using, take a look at gran turismo 5 prologue, NOW THATS POWER!!! i have a feeling in the near future ps3 will have ALOT of amazing games!!

[Blazer]

Oh jeez, this is going to spark tons of console wars. So in light of that, my response is who cares. play it on the console you have. Want to buy a console and dont know which one? Pick out the games you want to play on the xbox 360/PS3/Wii, and then make your own decision, dont let a bunch of ps3/xbox360/wii fanboys sway your decision. (This goes for anyone asking the question in the future.... who may take advantage of the search feature.)

[zim]

It's really simple. Get. Both.

[Shadow Conception]

Yeah, $800+ is really simple.

[passage]

Yeah, $800+ is really simple.
^He speaks the truth.

[zim]

If you have a job it really isn't hard to save up 400 one month, and next month another 400. UNLESS you pay rent. Otherwise you should have no excuse.

[passage]

I put my computer over all consoles.

[Др.хуй]

well i dont have a job, Considering i have woken up at 1:30pm.
Im still in school lol but im sick atm

Nah i did have a hard time wondering what to get, Either PS3 or 360. And my decision was based upon the games like Blazer said. Only crap thing is that MGS is playstation only :(
And i hear the online mode for 360 is amazing and 10x simpler then PS3 online.

But i do think PS3 will have some amazing games in the future, But 360 wont be far behind.
btw to whoever said PS3 is the leading console, This really cant be stated to either 360 or PS3 in sales wise because you can search all different sites and they can say all different things.

But in developing wise, PS3 is said to be a pain in the arse to develop games on.

[victim]

I don't see why the Live would be simpler than PSN, although when you hear this you should take into account the fact that PSN is free, although Live isn't exactly expensive.

[phreak]

It's really simple. Get. Both.

Like meeeee :D

To answer the question of the topic at hand, yes -- maybe. I can see games taking up space and using the PS3's "full power" sometime in the future. But by the time that happens, 360 will be so far ahead that Sony may never catch up. Sometimes being the most powerful doesn't make mean it's going to "win". Xbox was more powerful than PS2 and Gamecube, but PS2 with its selection of games and exclusives smoked it and Gamecube by far. Yet the tables have turned this generation. Xbox 360 got a headstart on PS3 and has become the most accessible "next gen" console with its lineup of games and incredible online experience. Software sales for the 360 are so far ahead of PS3, something like 10:1 is what I think I heard, it leads the industry in that category. Three different versions of the 360 and a good backwards compatibility also make it hard for the standalone 40GB PS3 to fully compete (they are pulling the 80GB model, right?) as well.

All in all, I'm going to lay it out on the line and say that Xbox 360 will overtake Wii in console sales, and make Microsoft the dominant manufacturer this gen, much like Sony was last time.

The PS3 really should have come out in 2008, with that uber lineup of awesome games slated for release that year. But instead, it launched in a really crappy year (2006) and still doesn't have much this year(Uncharted, Heavenly Sword and Lair....Two of the three I would deem "failures").

[Др.хуй]

Like meeeee :D

To answer the question of the topic at hand, yes -- maybe. I can see games taking up space and using the PS3's "full power" sometime in the future. But by the time that happens, 360 will be so far ahead that Sony may never catch up. Sometimes being the most powerful doesn't make mean it's going to "win". Xbox was more powerful than PS2 and Gamecube, but PS2 with its selection of games and exclusives smoked it and Gamecube by far. Yet the tables have turned this generation. Xbox 360 got a headstart on PS3 and has become the most accessible "next gen" console with its lineup of games and incredible online experience. Software sales for the 360 are so far ahead of PS3, something like 10:1 is what I think I heard, it leads the industry in that category. Three different versions of the 360 and a good backwards compatibility also make it hard for the standalone 40GB PS3 to fully compete (they are pulling the 80GB model, right?) as well.

All in all, I'm going to lay it out on the line and say that Xbox 360 will overtake Wii in console sales, and make Microsoft the dominant manufacturer this gen, much like Sony was last time.

The PS3 really should have come out in 2008, with that uber lineup of awesome games slated for release that year. But instead, it launched in a really crappy year (2006) and still doesn't have much this year(Uncharted, Heavenly Sword and Lair....Two of the three I would deem "failures").

You must of done some heavy reasearch lol
That is really good information, bravo my dear friend.

[Fry]

I would get a PS3, I have a Wii, PS3 and 360 and i can say that the PS3 is easily going to win this generation of consoles. The Wii's novelty will wear off, The 360's lack of standard features (HDD, HD DVD) will hurt it in the long run and the PS3's heavy hitting exclusives will always pull in a crowd. MS have no chance with the 360 untill they can get as big a following in the European and more importantly the Japanese/Asian markets as they do in the US. You can't win a console war with only one dominant region, Compare the 40GB to the Premium and tell me if the 20GB extra HDD, WiFI and Blu Ray drive doesn't have greater value.

Just wait for GT5, FFXIIII, FFXIII Vs, MG Online, SOCOM Confrontation, MGS4, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Home, Haze, White Knight Story, Motorstorm 2, The Agency (MMO), The Getaway to drop in 2008 and the PS3 sales will explode. Not to mention theres games we havn't heard much of also due to drop in '08 such as L.A. Noire, Afrika, War Devil Enigma, SOCOM (full game), 8 Days and a Rockstar exclusive all slated for 2008 too. Not to mention there will be some we havn't heard of yet, Yet the 360 on the other hand has a very sparse '08 exclusive line-up. With Fable 2, Too Human, Alan Wake, Halo Wars, Banjo Threeie, Splinters Cell, Ninja Gaidan and Lost Odyssey. Many of these are unproven titles too which will undoubtedly sell because of their exclusive nature but they dont have the same crowd pulling appeal as alot of the PS3 exclusives.

Like many have said buy both if you have the cash, If not i personally would go for the PS3 for it's stronger and more reconizeable 2008 line-up.

[gta4crazy1]

i believe they are both good consoles and will both get better over time. I invested in a 360 because of the price and didnt want to wait. I was happy about my purchase to. But, I also have a friend who has a ps3, so i dont really worry much. point being, if you are short on money, 360 isnt a bad idea to get.

[Olin]

I would get a PS3, I have a Wii, PS3 and 360 and i can say that the PS3 is easily going to win this generation of consoles. The Wii's novelty will wear off, The 360's lack of standard features (HDD, HD DVD) will hurt it in the long run and the PS3's heavy hitting exclusives will always pull in a crowd. MS have no chance with the 360 untill they can get as big a following in the European and more importantly the Japanese/Asian markets as they do in the US. You can't win a console war with only one dominant region, Compare the 40GB to the Premium and tell me if the 20GB extra HDD, WiFI and Blu Ray drive doesn't have greater value.

Just wait for GT5, FFXIIII, FFXIII Vs, MG Online, SOCOM Confrontation, MGS4, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Home, Haze, White Knight Story, Motorstorm 2, The Agency (MMO), The Getaway to drop in 2008 and the PS3 sales will explode. Not to mention theres games we havn't heard much of also due to drop in '08 such as L.A. Noire, Afrika, War Devil Enigma, SOCOM (full game), 8 Days and a Rockstar exclusive all slated for 2008 too. Not to mention there will be some we havn't heard of yet, Yet the 360 on the other hand has a very sparse '08 exclusive line-up. With Fable 2, Too Human, Alan Wake, Halo Wars, Banjo Threeie, Splinters Cell, Ninja Gaidan and Lost Odyssey. Many of these are unproven titles too which will undoubtedly sell because of their exclusive nature but they dont have the same crowd pulling appeal as alot of the PS3 exclusives.

Like many have said buy both if you have the cash, If not i personally would go for the PS3 for it's stronger and more reconizeable 2008 line-up.Oh yes, the 360 is totally missing that HDD.

[phreak]

Awww pooey, I left out Ratchet & Clank and Warhawk. Those are good PS3 games to go along with Uncharted. It's what PS3 badly needed. Resistance is good as well, a good launch game to go along with Motorstorm. But those were the only two games I even remember from the launch (2006). They're back on track this year, if you don't count all the delays. And in 2008, they will have the strongest 1st party launch of the bunch.

But the XBL Marketplace and XBL Gold make the 360 stand far apart from Sony's free PSN. Video marketplace, premium content, and in most cases you get that content before PS3 users. Live Gold is not even really that expensive, $50 for 13 months, $19.99 for 3 months, or $7.99 monthly. It's seriously worth it if want to game online and have the best experience possible. You can send text/voice messages while playing games, have a private voice convo with multiple friends while playing, and still talk to people who are playing the same game you are, even if they aren't in your private chat. Unless Sony ever implements in-game XMB, they simply cannot match what a membership to Live offers. The amount of people on Live is amazing, and outnumbers Sony's PSN by several million.

[NotPale2Hall]

Song already are making Blu-ray games.

.....all ps3 games are on blu-ray discs that i'm aware of.

I would get a Ps3, but I already have one.

Also, what does the OP mean by Blu-Ray games?

just games on blu-ray discs?

cause the only difference, For Gaming, between BD-Roms and DVD-Roms is store.

Max of 50gb to max of 4.7gb
BD-Rom vs DVD-Rom

Edit=

ALSO

DON'T GET THE 40GB PS3

Go for the 80 if you so choose that path.

The 40 donsn't play PS2 games, have card readers, and has 2 less USB ports.

Thats why its 100 bucks less....

[Fry]

Oh yes, the 360 is totally missing that HDD.Another inciteful post by the local troll....

I said "In the long run...." Which means the future not the present. Also if developers have already been complaining about the lack of a standard HDD so how are they going to feel in 2 years when games are 10X more taxing on the hardware.

I just feel MS took a back step by not including a standard HDD, I mean even the original Xbox had one.

[Mousey]

The 360 withouth the hard disk drive, is there for the people that cant afford the normal 360.

[Olin]

No one is stopping developers from making games that utilize the hard drive.

[Fry]

You just have to pick apart any little thing against the 360, Don't you. The HDD is not standard and developers are programming with the core 360 in mind, Rockstar have already complained about this so have a few other dev's. Nothing is stopping them making games that require a HDD, But that would make every core 360 owner extremely pissed off.

Bottom line is if the 360 had a standard HDD we wouldn't have this problem.

[Др.хуй]

I'm getting the Forza package 360,Thats got a 20gig HD.
I don't know i have this feeling that Microsoft will pull something sneaky and overtake PS3 when the PS3 excels in about a years time. Bill gates is a rich smart bastard.. he makes 1.4mil every 4 minutes. Hes playing his own version of an RPG game.

But about the 360 coming standard with a HD would of been alot smarter, or at least a memory card of some sort.

[WiM]

I always liked XBOX more, because of the triggers. The reason I'd buy a 360 would be Forza2, but........
PS3 is soooooooo HOT, jus LOVE how it looks. It has blu-ray (touché) and some titles the XBOX hasn't!! I mean, just for MGS4 I prefer PS3!! Graphicly it's practicly the same, so that's not the problem. But serious.... BLU-RAY!!

[The Shy Child.]

I sold my 360 for a 60gb PS3 and it was the best move I ever made. I didn't go on xbox live with my 360 because I didn't want to buy all the extra hard ware like the wireless adapter, 20gb detachable hardrive, and the £40.00 annual fee for gold memebership and my xbox 360 kept breaking like every month and it broke 3 times, then I bought the PS3 with motorstorm and resistance for £400,00 and I went online the same day I got it and I never had to give any credit card details what so ever, The only peice of hardware I had to buy was the bluetooth headset for £35,00 and that was me online. I have had my PS3 for about 7 months now and it has never froze or over heated or anyhting. I would recommend th e PS3 because of the cheap online play.

[phreak]

You just have to pick apart any little thing against the 360, Don't you. The HDD is not standard and developers are programming with the core 360 in mind, Rockstar have already complained about this so have a few other dev's. Nothing is stopping them making games that require a HDD, But that would make every core 360 owner extremely pissed off.

Bottom line is if the 360 had a standard HDD we wouldn't have this problem.

I beg to differ. Developers have all but abandoned core/arcade consoles. They develop the games strictly for those with hard drives first, and then make "changes" for the games to be compatible without a HDD. The most popular model is the 20GB white Premium edition. That outsells all the other models like a million times over. And even then, the Elite has been outdoing the core/arcade. I don't know of anyone who has a core/arcade personally. In fact, I really think that MS will put a HDD on the arcade/othernewentrylevel360 and bring the premium up to 60GB or so.

So this "problem" you're on about, it won't be around much longer. I give it to the end of next year.

I sold my 360 for a 60gb PS3 and it was the best move I ever made. I didn't go on xbox live with my 360 because I didn't want to buy all the extra hard ware like the wireless adapter, 20gb detachable hardrive, and the £40.00 annual fee for gold memebership and my xbox 360 kept breaking like every month and it broke 3 times, then I bought the PS3 with motorstorm and resistance for £400,00 and I went online the same day I got it and I never had to give any credit card details what so ever, The only peice of hardware I had to buy was the bluetooth headset for £35,00 and that was me online. I have had my PS3 for about 7 months now and it has never froze or over heated or anyhting. I would recommend th e PS3 because of the cheap online play.

You would have been much happier buying a Premium, since it's sounds like you're one of the few who actually got the laughable core pack. It came with the 20GB HDD, component High Def cables (unlike PS3, which comes only with...standard composite), a headset, ethernet cable for your router, one month free XBL Gold. You don't need a credit card either, although it's always nice to have one. You can buy prepaid cards at your local supermarket that contain either 3 months or 13 months of Live Gold and some that contain MS Points. You obviously didn't use XBL Gold at all if you're recommending people over to PS3 just because of free online. It stalls so horribly when stacked up to Live. Yes, I have a PS3 too...I know this. You get what you pay for with XBL. I think pretty much anyone here who's ever used it will agree. The PS Store is very weak in color, functionality, and overall design. And there's hardly anything free. Demos aside, Sony are always wanting 2 or 3 dollars for everything on there. Even I can manage to find free game content on 360's Marketplace, with its rich and colorful design and remarkable navigation. You have to pay, yes. But again, when something is free (PSN)...How good can it actually be? Not very if you ask me. I get a little sick every time I use PS Store. All dark and gloomy, very uninviting. If they would start charging for a premium account with exclusive access and rebuild the PS Store and make it a true competitor to Live/Marketplace, they might have something. But until they do, nothing is going to change my mind. I have both, and I'm choosing one over the other.

I like how some people out there think just because the PS3 started out the most expensive that is absolutely is better than everything else. This is in fact, very untrue. The only thing it succeeds in is having the most powerful CPU. But I'm not entirely impressed yet. Uncharted was great, and that was only using 33% or the PS3's claimed power. I want to see more. I need convincing. Bring on 2008.

[Zoraya]

If they had made Uncharted so good-looking it uses up the remaining 2\3 of the Playstation 3's claimed power, it would still be the same game, and the sales increase caused by people who like pretty games would probably be small compared to how much bigger the production cost would be.
I think creating games that push the boundaries of a system as powerful as the PS3 is too expensive and time-consuming for a lot of developers. That's also why there aren't as many games out for it as for the Xbox 360, I think (though that's also because it hasn't been on the market as long).

[K-evin]

They're making blu-ray games and when games get bigger, blu-ray will be an advantage. I doubt games are gonna take up more than 10~15GB though.

Heavenly sword took already 10 GB of sound. So in the near future games will contain way more then a 4.7 gb disc. You don't have to compromise wich means better quality.

[BigMike]

I think in the long run its to difficult to tell...we were all told in the beginning that Assassins Creed was a PS3 exclusive, along with DMC4..but nope..

As for the better system and which is the best choice..there is no best choice...Sony utilizing Blu-ray discs for games won't really do that much, I mean the only reason for doing that is for space reasons..

And Microsoft saying they won't release HD-dvd games..you never know..I would say that they are thinking that now because the HD-dvd drive is not stock with the console..


In my opinion..get both systems..and if you don't have the money...get the money..because you can't go wrong with either

[Fry]

Phreak- Why have developers like Rockstar been complaining about the lack od HDD then and saying it's a issue for the 360 version of GTAIV?

You are right, You get what you pay for and us PS3 owners get lag free dedicated servers while Xbox Live is stuck on P2P gaming which makes most games a LAG fest. I know myself too, Because as you all n=know i have a 360 and i have Xbox Live and in my experience Resistance, Warhawk and Motorstorm all run 10X better then any Xbox Live game.

I'll ask you this one question, What is it that Live does so well that the PS3 doesn't? What in-game messaging? Because excuse me if i'm wrong but i thought online gaming was about plauing online, I mean PC gamers have been using the same system as the PS3 since before the Xbox was around. I personally will take Dedicated servers over in-game messaging any day of the week, Plus once in-game XMB is made availible what will Xbox Live have then? A P2P service that people pay for? No thanks.

[Др.хуй]

DMC4 is coming out on 360? Never heard about that..

But i read somebody saying the PSN design is dark and gloomy, I totally agree with them.
Iv played the PS3 and seen the PSN menu's over at a friends place, But nothing free is always going to be great.
Thats another thing about what i said with how i don't like the PS3 design, Too dark and just sorta doesn't really suit with common TV furniture. I'm not saying the design is BAD I'm just saying it isn't really the choice for me.

The 360 design on the other hand i liked it more because it just gives off this image/message that clearly says 'gaming', But it should have come with HD, Wifi, HDMI and HD-DVD compatible standard. Buying all that separate equipment will be the equivalent of buying a PS3+ a game.

360 has my vote only because i wanted a change from Sony to see how Microsoft can do, I think it will do better in this Gen Personally.

[The_Patient]

DMC4 is coming out on 360? Never heard about that..

But i read somebody saying the PSN design is dark and gloomy, I totally agree with them.
Iv played the PS3 and seen the PSN menu's over at a friends place, But nothing free is always going to be great.
Thats another thing about what i said with how i don't like the PS3 design, Too dark and just sorta doesn't really suit with common TV furniture. I'm not saying the design is BAD I'm just saying it isn't really the choice for me.

The 360 design on the other hand i liked it more because it just gives off this image/message that clearly says 'gaming', But it should have come with HD, Wifi, HDMI and HD-DVD compatible standard. Buying all that separate equipment will be the equivalent of buying a PS3+ a game.

360 has my vote only because i wanted a change from Sony to see how Microsoft can do, I think it will do better in this Gen Personally.
Lawl, You can change themes to make it all "pretty & happy" like you want it, And It doesn't cost you much either, Pretty much FREE. Unlike the 360 :)
My PS3 XMB is awesome, Blue background, Which is the opposite to dark & gloomy, And some cool Jet,Set Future icons, Looks awesome :P

[NotPale2Hall]

DMC4 is coming out on 360? Never heard about that..

But i read somebody saying the PSN design is dark and gloomy, I totally agree with them.
Iv played the PS3 and seen the PSN menu's over at a friends place, But nothing free is always going to be great.
Thats another thing about what i said with how i don't like the PS3 design, Too dark and just sorta doesn't really suit with common TV furniture. I'm not saying the design is BAD I'm just saying it isn't really the choice for me.

The 360 design on the other hand i liked it more because it just gives off this image/message that clearly says 'gaming', But it should have come with HD, Wifi, HDMI and HD-DVD compatible standard. Buying all that separate equipment will be the equivalent of buying a PS3+ a game.

360 has my vote only because i wanted a change from Sony to see how Microsoft can do, I think it will do better in this Gen Personally.

On PS3's XBM, there are themes, and you can set your background to any picture, or color of ribbon-y-thing, so I don't know what you mean abut it being gloomy.
If you mean the design of the console, I think dark and mysterious wins out over bright white and oddly shaped anyday.

[Др.хуй]

My friend must just like it dark and gloomy then lol.

Oh and a quick question off the topic, What Kinda stuff can you buy on XBL with live points?

[X-reS]

I definitely prefer the the PS3's XMB over the 360 browser. The 360 browser is kinda crowded and confusing when first looking at it. It is also slow. The XMB is very organized and and fast.

[The_Patient]

My friend must just like it dark and gloomy then lol.

Oh and a quick question off the topic, What Kinda stuff can you buy on XBL with live points?
Gamer Pictures, Themes, Add-Ons, Basic DLC.

[Shadow Conception]

Good thing with 360's Blade is that you can use it during games. Reeh, in-game XMB, where art thou? :(

[Oskar]

Phreak- Why have developers like Rockstar been complaining about the lack od HDD then and saying it's a issue for the 360 version of GTAIV?

You are right, You get what you pay for and us PS3 owners get lag free dedicated servers while Xbox Live is stuck on P2P gaming which makes most games a LAG fest. I know myself too, Because as you all n=know i have a 360 and i have Xbox Live and in my experience Resistance, Warhawk and Motorstorm all run 10X better then any Xbox Live game.


Either you have crap internet or play on your own in MP on the PS3.

[Др.хуй]

Would doubt you get a LAG fest, Should be better considering your paying for it.
And i dont see why everybody is so damn touchy about having to pay for XBL, $80 (in aus)
You can buy a few games but you cant spare 1 game to buy 12 months of XBL?

[Fry]

Either you have crap internet or play on your own in MP on the PS3.A lag fest was an exadgeration but the PS3's dedicated servers shit all over Xbox Live's P2P.

Please, You obviously don't have a PS3 or 360. Either that or your biased, The difference between P2P gaming and gaming on a dedicated server is HUGE. I play 40 player lag free games on Resistance and 32 player lag free games on Warhawk and get absolutely no lag whatsoever. Yet when i play 24 player games of COD3 or even 8 player games of COD2 or GoW i usually get abit of lag. I am running both platforms (PSN/XBL) on the exact same connection which is 8000/384, Which is one of the best connections availible in Aus. But the ironic thing is when my connection is slowed to 256/64 once i exceed my d/l limit (like it is now) iu can still play 40 player games of Resistance and 32 player games of Warhawk. Yet if i tries to play COD3/GoW or Halo 3 it would lag like no tommorrow.

I'll make it simple, Dedicated servers>P2P...

So leave it to the people who have both platforms and have experienced alot of online gaming to comment on this matter. Because it's obvious you have neither of those two requirements.

[Slim Trashman]

I think I'm gonna move this to VG Chat now :P

[Др.хуй]

A lag fest was an exadgeration but the PS3's dedicated servers shit all over Xbox Live's P2P.

Please, You obviously don't have a PS3 or 360. Either that or your biased, The difference between P2P gaming and gaming on a dedicated server is HUGE. I play 40 player lag free games on Resistance and 32 player lag free games on Warhawk and get absolutely no lag whatsoever. Yet when i play 24 player games of COD3 or even 8 player games of COD2 or GoW i usually get abit of lag. I am running both platforms (PSN/XBL) on the exact same connection which is 8000/384, Which is one of the best connections availible in Aus. But the ironic thing is when my connection is slowed to 256/64 once i exceed my d/l limit (like it is now) iu can still play 40 player games of Resistance and 32 player games of Warhawk. Yet if i tries to play COD3/GoW or Halo 3 it would lag like no tommorrow.

I'll make it simple, Dedicated servers>P2P...

So leave it to the people who have both platforms and have experienced alot of online gaming to comment on this matter. Because it's obvious you have neither of those two requirements.

Mmm i wont argue on whichever is better,
But i do doubt you can play 40playergames of resistance on a limited 256k connection =\

[phreak]

Well EXCUSE ME Fry. I haven't played either Resistance or Warhawk online so I wouldn't know about them. I've only had Live lag on me once and that was during a session of Forza 2 when it first came out.

[Fry]

Well EXCUSE ME Fry. I haven't played either Resistance or Warhawk online so I wouldn't know about them. I've only had Live lag on me once and that was during a session of Forza 2 when it first came out.Fair enough, But you cant exactly say Xbox live is better when you havn't really tried the PSN all that much. Also yes Americans (moreso)/Europeans don't tend to get alot of lag on XBL, Because obviously P2P means your sending all info to the host. Which means if the host is in your country and you (americans mainly) have a far superior connection to us Aussies you wont lag as much.

Mmm i wont argue on whichever is better,
But i do doubt you can play 40playergames of resistance on a limited 256k connection =\Alright just for you i will run a speed test later, Showing how slow my connection is running atm. Then i will make a video of me playing a 40 player game of Resistance, But you'd probably just say i was lying or make up some other crap to justify your opinion.

For me the PS3 is better when it actually comes to running an online game but the 360 has in game messages, music and nvites and is all unified. It's just a shame they wont invest any of the $80AU i give them a year into running dedicated servers.

It just baffles me how all the people make assumptions without any knowledge of the PSN (not directed at Phreak), I mean if you actually tried the PSN you'd know that it's dedicated servers are far superior to XBL's P2P crap.

[Olin]

So if you live in a country like US/UK, you won't have a problem with P2P gaming.

[Fry]

Not at all, I have many people on my friends list from the US and UK and they complain of lag in many games. It all depends on the hosts location and how strong your connection is. But if me and some UK people enter a US hosted room, We will lag. It's basic latency, Obviously our info has further to travel then other US players in the room. But it works the same for the US players, If they enter an Aussie room they will lag because of latency. But obviously the superior connections will help them out abit in that department.

What i'm saying should be easy to understand, Dedicated servers shit all over P2P servers.

[Charger]

I rarely experience any lag online PSN, it just 2 times that it happened.

[Др.хуй]

Alright just for you i will run a speed test later, Showing how slow my connection is running atm. Then i will make a video of me playing a 40 player game of Resistance, But you'd probably just say i was lying or make up some other crap to justify your opinion.


no need, i never said i didn't believe you. I just doubted it :P
Mmm i live in aus =\

[Piggus]

No one is stopping developers from making games that utilize the hard drive.

360 devs are pretty restricted in that area. Microsoft allows very few studios to require that the player have an HDD, and it's not like they can cache or pre-install much data since 20 gigs is hardly anything. On PS3, all devs can use the HDD since it's standard, and some games like Oblivion will install as much as five gigs of data, which isn't so bad when you have a 60 or 80 gig drive. Right now on my PS3, I have nine music albums, over 100 photos, five full length movies, six game/movie trailers, five PS3 game demos, four PSN games, two PS1 games, 7.5 gigs of installed game data, and I still have 23 gigs of free space left over.

xelasha: Buying a 360 for its "future potential" probably isn't the best idea when that's what most people are buying a PS3 for. 2008 and 2009 are going to be huge years for PS3 if you've seen what's coming out next year and the year after.

[Др.хуй]

360 wont be that bad in 08 will it?
What is coming for the PS3 in 08/09 anyway?

[Fry]

In '08 the PS3 has Killzone 2, MGS4, MGS Online, FFXIII, FFXIII Vs, Little Big Planet, Haze, White Knight Story, The Agency (MMO), SOCOM: Confrontation, Home, GT5, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2, The Getaway, SOCOM (full game), War Devil Enigma, L.A. Noire, Afrika, 8 Days and an unnamed Rockstar exclusive. Some might be pushed back into '09, But we don't know yet. In comparrison the 360 has a very sparse exclusive list for '08, But i'm sure MS have a few games in the works that we havn't heard of yet.

You live in Aus? Because the PS3 are on sale at Big W for $598 untill Thursday and if you looking for value thats the right choice. Because it's $100 more then the Premium 360 but you get 20GB more HDD space, WiFi and Blu Ray.

Just my opinion.

[The Shy Child.]

In '08 the PS3 has Killzone 2, MGS4, MGS Online, FFXIII, FFXIII Vs, Little Big Planet, Haze, White Knight Story, The Agency (MMO), SOCOM: Confrontation, Home, GT5, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2, The Getaway, SOCOM (full game), War Devil Enigma, L.A. Noire, Afrika, 8 Days and an unnamed Rockstar exclusive. Some might be pushed back into '09, But we don't know yet. In comparrison the 360 has a very sparse exclusive list for '08, But i'm sure MS have a few games in the works that we havn't heard of yet.

You live in Aus? Because the PS3 are on sale at Big W for $598 untill Thursday and if you looking for value thats the right choice. Because it's $100 more then the Premium 360 but you get 20GB more HDD space, WiFi and Blu Ray.

Just my opinion.
I love the PS3's line-up next year, it's like the king of all game line-ups. I am really looking forward to MGS4, little big planet, the agency, home, GT5, resistance 2, motorstorm 2, the getaway, and LA noire. This is what I want from games, loads and loads of exclusives.

[Shadow Conception]

Dedicated servers cost the developers, and P2P doesn't I don't think. So it's a bit ironic that PS3 is a free service, but gets the more expensive treatment.

tbh, only thing 360 has going for it in 2008 is Fable 2, Alan Wake, and GTA4.

[phreak]

2007 was 360's year. 2008 will be Sony's.

[passage]

Does the PS3 have host advantage online?

[Olin]

He said the PS3 has dedicated servers, but you're not going to get on one if you create your own game.

[passage]

Oh, got ya. I thought they had eliminated host advantage and made it like PC gaming.

[Olin]

A lot of games are messed up on PC. Those with higher pings are usually invincible.

When I used to play Halo 2 over XBL, I never had a problem hitting people with higher ping and vice versa.

[Rylo]

Only thing I can say about tihs topic is Xbox Live>PSN.

Other than that, PS3 has some good games and awesome games coming up, as well as the 360.

[cyrix]

If you have a job it really isn't hard to save up 400 one month, and next month another 400. UNLESS you pay rent. Otherwise you should have no excuse.

I pay 450 a month in rent. Then I have to pay for my phone. Groceries. Internet. Clothes. Social Life. Car Insurance. Car payments. Etc...etc...

I make about 400 a week. And even I would find it difficult.

[Piggus]

A lot of games are messed up on PC. Those with higher pings are usually invincible.

When I used to play Halo 2 over XBL, I never had a problem hitting people with higher ping and vice versa.

That is pretty annoying. On the PC version of Halo, you would have to lead a person a bit if they were running. This was really annoying if you were trying to snipe someone, but if you were hosting the server you didn't have to compensate at all. :P

[Olin]

I would ask how multiplayer on the PC version of Halo 2 worked, but I doubt you know. ;P

[Piggus]

Nope, I have a... unique version of Halo 2 running on XP. ;p

[Shadow Conception]

Don't you have to pay for online multiplayer in Halo 2 for PC?

[Piggus]

Sort of... You need either an Xbox Live or Windows Live Gold account, just as you do on the Xbox or the 360. If you already have one of those though, you don't need to pay anything extra.

[Др.хуй]

eh..
Me thinks PS3 will take over next year,
Then 360 comes back to take over.
Then the PS3 comes over again and eventually one of them will stop... Eventually
Microsoft would be pretty competitive though And Sony has been leading for so long it wouldn't want to give up that name. So unless Microsoft either gives up knowing it cant beat Sony, This will never stop lol.
Unless somehow Bill Gates pulls his thumb out of his ass.. And creates something evil and console dominating.

[Olin]

Microsoft has multiple devisions for peripherals, software, etc. The 360 is part of the gaming devision.

Bill Gates has nothing to do with a lot of it.

[Pignoah]

Sort of... You need either an Xbox Live or Windows Live Gold account, just as you do on the Xbox or the 360. If you already have one of those though, you don't need to pay anything extra.


There's only 2 games I think are worth getting a PS3 for and they aren't out yet.

[Zoraya]

I think the Wii, ironically, is the only current generation console that has a title that's pretty much worth buying the console for.
Even my mum has a Super Mario Galaxy "planet" for crying out loud.

[Piggus]

There's only 2 games I think are worth getting a PS3 for and they aren't out yet.

That's fine. And others would argue the opposite. It's a matter of what games look interesting to you.

[passage]

I will never, in my entire Earthly existence, pay for a FPS monthly on PC.

[Др.хуй]

Honestly i don't think there is a right answer to the question.
Goto a PS3 forum and ask whats better 360 or PS3, Obviously they will say PS3 because of their own thoughts.
Do the same on a Xbox360 forum and they are all obviously going to say 360 because of THEIR own thoughts.
So there isn't really a war here.. I think both MS and Sony just create different qualities for their console and people will make their own decision.

So in conclusion there is no real answer to the 'better' console. For those who still are a tad bit lost, I will put it in another context.

Lets get a Nerdy Guy(xbox360) and lets get a Popular guy(PS3) now those arnt examples i don't mean popular kids get PS3s and Nerds get 360s.

So lets say there are 2 girls, A nerdy girl(360 fan boys) and a popular girl(PS3 fan boys).

Now the nerdy guy would cream his pants and sweat his balls off if he went for the popular girl and the popular girl would rather the popular guy. But if he went for the nerdy girl they'd be more compatible with eachother (e.g The controller is more comfortable and the Xbox feel suits them more)

Likewise to the popular Guy, Expect the nerdy girl would cream her pants and sweat her balls off. And the popular guy would rather go for the popular girl seeing as they are more compatible with each other in their own way.

So PS3 fan boys like the PS3
And the Xbox360 fan boys like the Xbox360
Some fan boys can like both but theres usually one console they like better.

I'm half asleep so if that example was shitty, Just try and understand.

[victim]

I think you misunderstand the term "fanboy".

A fanboy is somebody who constantly trolls over their favourite console and doesn't accept a fair arguments against their preferred system. Therefore no fanboy will like both consoles. Most people aren't fanboys.

[ska]

I have a PS3, I'm popular irl and on the internet, win.

[Yam Trigger]

What great features does a 360 actually have?

[ska]

Arguably better online play?

[Yam Trigger]

Is that all.

[ZCAB]

Compared to PS3: A bigger library of games, a slightly more powerful graphics processing unit (though a many times less powerful processor), a lower price, easier game development, often slightly better framerates on simultaneous multi-platform releases (mostly due to the aforementioned easier development). It's also less painful to the eyes to run X360 games is SD than PS3 games, in my opinion.

[ska]

The end bit, so very true.

[Yam Trigger]

What about a PS3? What pros does it have?

[Др.хуй]

It's also less painful to the eyes to run X360 games is SD than PS3 games, in my opinion.

Didnt understand that, Explain?

[ZCAB]

PS3 has a really powerful processor (which makes physics heavy games easier to pull off than on X360), a lot of room on the Blu-Ray disks it uses (which means more room for detailed graphics and sound, less need for compression) and more space on the HDD than X360. It also has really big potential to render far greater graphics than X360, there are incredibly promising titles coming up, the online play is free, and it's a great all-round multimedia machine.

Xelasha: SD stands for Standard Definition. An SDTV is a tv that doesn't support High Definition resolutions. It's the opposite of an HDTV.

[Fry]

I think he was referring to your comment that 360 games look better in SD then PS3 games do in SD, Which i don't quite undestand either. If i run COD4 on a SDTV on both consoles they look identicle, It all comes down to how good the graphics are for that particular platform. If the graphics are superior on the 360 they will be better in SD and HD, But if the graphics are better on the PS3 that will look better in both SD and HD. I don't see how the PS3 looks worse then the 360 in SD.

Also you cant really say that the RSX isn't as good as the 360 GPU, Because Nvidia has never revealed the stats. I'd say they are equal personally but due to the more dev friendly architechture the 360 is easier to get results from. But the fact that the CELL can assist the RSX in GPU culculations would push the PS3's graphical ability past the 360's in my opinion.

[ZCAB]

I think he was referring to your comment that 360 games look better in SD then PS3 games do in SD, Which i don't quite undestand either.

Then he would've said something along the lines of "why do you feel that way?".

If i run COD4 on a SDTV on both consoles they look identicle, It all comes down to how good the graphics are for that particular platform.

The whole multi platform release phenomenon is based on making the exact same game for several platforms. So of course COD4 is going to look the same on both consoles.

If the graphics are superior on the 360 they will be better in SD and HD, But if the graphics are better on the PS3 that will look better in both SD and HD. I don't see how the PS3 looks worse then the 360 in SD.

Just personal preference.

Also you cant really say that the RSX isn't as good as the 360 GPU, Because Nvidia has never revealed the stats. I'd say they are equal personally but due to the more dev friendly architechture the 360 is easier to get results from.

I'm pretty positive I read about the 360's GPU being more powerful as a stand-alone graphics chip, but that was like two years ago (then again, don't think Sony suddenly cooked up a new GPU in the year before release). Note that all I said about the consoles' pros and cons was either out of experience or the top of my head.

But the fact that the CELL can assist the RSX in GPU culculations would push the PS3's graphical ability past the 360's in my opinion.

But it doesn't yet. Hence the use of the word the word "potential".

[Olin]

I've read multiple sources stating the GPU in the 360 was better than the GPU in the PS3. I wouldn't be able to supply any sources on that, however, it's very plausible.

Some of the Cell's power is traded off to assist the GPU if you had a game that looked the same as it would on 360. At least, that's what I've come up with considering the differences in the GPUs. PS3 games can be better than 360 titles overall, it won't be as much of an improvement as you think because of both increased development time/effort and the small drawback of the GPU.

I know the differences vaguely, but not well enough to lay them out here.

[Piggus]

The GPUs in each system are roughly the same. RSX in the PS3 is better at pixel shading than Xenos, but Xenos is better at one or two other things (vertex shading I think.) The CPUs, on the other hand, are quite a bit different. Which is where PS3 has a huge advantage if used properly.

The ONLY reason why you see third party titles looking better on 360 is because those games are built from the ground up on 360 and then slopilly ported to PS3. So far there hasn't reportedly been a single third party title on the PS3 to take advantage of the system's SPEs, which is where a huge portion of CELL's power is contained. Burnout might be the first exception, although it's also one of the first games to be ported down to the 360 instead of up to the PS3. The result? A near-perfect port. The game looks identical on both systems (which was their goal) with some very slight framerate drops on the 360 version. It's been stated by most first party and many third party devs that it's much easier to make PS3 lead platform and port to 360. Let's just hope other devs look at Burnout as an incentive to switch over.

You can really see the difference in power, however, when you compare first party titles. Thanks to efficient SPE implementation (which allows the CPU to render many graphics tasks) the amount of tech in some PS3 first party titles just blows away everyting else out there. Uncharted is just one example, and Ratchet and Clank is another. On the 360, most games games that intend to use AA of any form must run at a lower native resolution and then upscaled to 720p otherwise the framebuffer will fill up and you'll have huge performance issues. Ratchet runs at 720p native at 60fps with 4xAA, and uses the same texture streaming technique used in Gears of War. It's a huge jump from Resistance (which uses the same engine) and they expect to make the same jump with their next game.

Gran Turismo 5 is another perfect example. The game runs at 1280x1080 native upscaled to 1080p with 2x AA or 720p with 4xAA at 60 fps with 16 cars on track that contain around 200,000 polygons each. When you compare that to PGR4, that's nearly twice the resolution (again, PGR4 is another game that runs at 540p and is upscaled to 720p), twice the framerate, twice the amount of cars on track, and nearly twice the geometry detail per car (PGR4's cars are 100,000 to 120,000 polygons each.)

So yeah. There is a hefty power difference between the two as long as the PS3 is developed for in an efficient way. Unfortunately, the only developers doing that are first party devs. :/

[Pignoah]

That's fine. And others would argue the opposite. It's a matter of what games look interesting to you.


Thanks for clearling up 'opinions' for me, especcially mine.


You all need to stop focusing on processing power and bollocks like that. Because all it needs are good games, that's it. Unless you wanna open up and PS3 and look in awe. Who cares what it can do it's what you can play on it.

[phreak]

Umm...GT5 runs at 1280x1080? Not 1920x1080?

And Piggus, you can't give PS3 all that credit. I even read on PS3 fanboy that not all PS3 games native in HD. They have some funky downgraded "HD" resolutions too. Like 540p and then upscaled. You're making it sound like only Xbox has this problem.

PS3 isn't perfect, please stop making it out to be. :)

[Piggus]

Umm...GT5 runs at 1280x1080? Not 1920x1080?

And Piggus, you can't give PS3 all that credit. I even read on PS3 fanboy that not all PS3 games native in HD. They have some funky downgraded "HD" resolutions too. Like 540p and then upscaled. You're making it sound like only Xbox has this problem.

PS3 isn't perfect, please stop making it out to be. :)

GT5 runs at 1920x1080p only in the ray-traced garage and photo scenes. In races it's 1280x1080 as far as I know.

As for the native res thing... Third party titles that were initially built for 360? Yes. First party? Nope.

Remember. If you want to make your game look and play the same on both platforms, you have to develope for the lowest common denominator.

[Др.хуй]

You all need to stop focusing on processing power and bollocks like that. Because all it needs are good games, that's it. Unless you wanna open up and PS3 and look in awe. Who cares what it can do it's what you can play on it.

Agreed.
Both Consoles have reasonably good titles for people with all different tastes.

[Yam Trigger]

Both consoles are good, I guess it just depends on who you are and what you like.

[Fry]

But it doesn't yet. Hence the use of the word the word "potential".
Actually in many games the CELL helps the RSX with graphical calculations, The "potential" i'm referring to is when the CELL and RSX are being used to their fullest in 2-3 years time. Just like the 360 still has untapped potential, But i feel the potential is greater for the PS3 due to the CELL's ability to assist the RSX.

[X-reS]

Yeah, Even know we are 2 yrs into the 360 life span I think we only seen half of what it can do. Which makes the PS3 potential seem all that much higher.

[Olin]

And yet reaching a potential that high only at the very end of a console's lifespan seems rather pointless.

In other words, Sony should make a more developer-friendly system next time around. I don't think the end of this generation of consoles is going to make up for the whole generation.

[Fry]

Well it's the same with the 360, It will only reach it's fullest potential at the end of it's lifespan. Even though it is easier to develope for, It's just the way these things work. The complicated architechture is what will give the PS3 it's power and once developers get used to this way of coding they it will show in their games. Plus when the PS3 is pulling off games that look as good as a system thats had 1 year more developement time and is easier to develope for i don't see a downside.

[Piggus]

And yet reaching a potential that high only at the very end of a console's lifespan seems rather pointless.

In other words, Sony should make a more developer-friendly system next time around. I don't think the end of this generation of consoles is going to make up for the whole generation.

To be fair, PS3 is significantly easier to develop for than the PS2 was. The only reason some third party devs are still using the 360 as the leas platform is because of its head start. These devs have first gen game engines that are more established on 360 hardware. Apparently this trend is starting to change though. The deal Sony announced with Epic last E3 called for a complete optimization of UE3 on PS3, and it's already starting to show with UT3.

[Yam Trigger]

Will a PS3 play PS2 and PS1 games aswell or just PS2.

[Fry]

Depends, The 60/80GB plays some PS2 and every PS1 game, But the 40GB only plays PS1 games.

[Jimmy_86]

I don't think the end of this generation of consoles is going to make up for the whole generation.
Conversely, do you think the beginning of this generation is going to bring the whole generation down?

[Olin]

I think the 360 moved up quite well shortly after its release. The PS3 took a bit longer than that to come to come to par.

[Jimmy_86]

Yeah, also the Wii had a slow start I thought. All consoles should be out of those woods now.

[Др.хуй]

Still cant believe that 360 was released in end 05..
Makes you wonder where the time goes,
But does anybody know what date it was released here in AUS? because i never saw it anywhere in stores in 05.

[Jimmy_86]

March 23rd 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch#Austr alia_and_New_Zealand

[Др.хуй]

i was 13..
Must not of been a big hit in AUS, it was sorta subtle around where i live.
But honestly i cant even remember 06, was a big blur.

EDIT: Did i say subtle? lol

Wikipedia:
The Xbox 360 was released in Australia and New Zealand on March 23, 2006, three weeks after the initially projected release date. According to GfK, a German institute specializing in market research, the Xbox 360 launch was the most successful in Australia's history at that time, selling over 30,000 consoles in the first four days.

[Yam Trigger]

I read somewhere that the Playstation 3 ranked as one of the top five flops of the year.
Its not because its a shit console, its just the fact that it was released simultaniously with Halo 3. Its sales should certainly increase when more games start coming out for the PS3, especially GTA IV.

[Grimmy]

The PS3 was released well before Halo 3, dude :P.

[Yam Trigger]

I mean the 40GB version.

[Pignoah]

It has no decent games, Wii only has a few decent games. Everyone goes on about the power, and what processors its got in there. It's irrelevant. I'll play games on mine, not look at the specs.

[ZCAB]

It's not that irrelevant in terms of the potential of the games and possible long lifecycle of the platform, though.

[Fry]

It has no decent games, Wii only has a few decent games. Everyone goes on about the power, and what processors its got in there. It's irrelevant. I'll play games on mine, not look at the specs.
Thats subjective, IMO the PS3 has far more "decent games" then the Wii.

[Yam Trigger]

I hate the Wii and IMO the XBOX 360 is overated.

[Olin]

imo people put too much hope in the PS3 getting good games imo

[Yam Trigger]

imo people put too much hope in the PS3 getting good games imo

I disagree. IMO, It is to early on in the PS3's existance to be able to make that call.

[Havok]

I disagree. IMO, It is to early on in the PS3's existance to be able to make that call.

Nice.

and I agree, the 360 is mad overrated.

[Grimmy]

I believe the PS3 is overrated.

[Fry]

How can it be overrated when it gets so little credit for anything in the media or with the general public, I mean i hear all these complaints about the PS3's poor line up. But what did the 360 have in it's first year exclusive wise? Nothing really except Gears and i know this first hand since i got mine on launch, Yet it never recieved half of the criticism the PS3 is getting for it's similar slow start. To me the PS3 had a better start then the 360, With games like Ratchet, F1, Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk and Uncharted all in it's first year. But it's obvious the 360 overall has the better selection of games, One thing that still puzzles me is why the Wii is getting such praise with it's tiny exclusive line up.

[victim]

The Wii is getting praise because it's cheap and it's for casual gamers.

[Yam Trigger]

Question: Apart from GTA IV what other big titles will soon be available on PS3?

[Olin]

The Wii must be doing something right.

[FireFox2]

Question: Apart from GTA IV what other big titles will soon be available on PS3?

R&C-TD ...has a huge fan base.Not exactly my genre,but has been a fun game.

[The Shy Child.]

There is also metal gear solid 4: guns of the patriots, little big planet, burnout paradise, grand turismo 5, unreal tournement 3, indiana jones, prototype, the wheelman, mafia II, fifa street 3, Killzone 2, endwar, driver 5, the getaway 3, saints row 2, star wars the force unleashed, lost, alan wake, hie$t, mercanaries 2, midnight club LA, afrika, ghostbusters, final fanstasy XIII, dirty harry. and there is many more that I could not be botherd to type.

[.LiLe.]

They did the PS3 and 360 headtohead and the PS3 won, they keeping the Ps3 for years, but another Xbox is coming out in another 3-4 years.

[Fry]

Both consoles will follow the same life span, The Xbox 3 wont be released untill 2011/12 and the PS4 will be 2012/13. Giving them the 6-7 year life span which is appropriate.The only question is will MS support the 360 once it's dead like sony have supported the PS2 and will support the PS3. Thats what makes the lifespan 10 years, Is the support once the console is dead. I'd say yes they will because the fan base is already looking strong and it will mean profit to recover some of their losses on the Xbox 3.

[Olin]

Microsoft couldn't continue support on the Xbox because of the NVIDIA lawsuit, dork.

[Jimmy_86]

Microsoft couldn't continue support on the Xbox because of the NVIDIA lawsuit, dork.
All Fry said was "Will MS support the 360 when their next console is realeased? I think they will."

No need for name calling either.

[Olin]

His post insinuated that Microsoft might not support 360 because it stopped supporting Xbox. If he didn't mean it like that, his post says otherwise.

Dork is evil. A very evil word. Guess we forgot the overwhelming usage of cunt that we saw many months ago.

[Jimmy_86]

Dork is evil. A very evil word. Guess we forgot the overwhelming usage of cunt that we saw many months ago.
I'm not policing anything here, I just added that as an after thought since I was already posting to comment about the actual discussion.

[Yam Trigger]

Has there been any annoucements by Sony about a Playstation 4?

[Fry]

His post insinuated that Microsoft might not support 360 because it stopped supporting Xbox. If he didn't mean it like that, his post says otherwise.

Dork is evil. A very evil word. Guess we forgot the overwhelming usage of cunt that we saw many months ago.
Actually show me where i even mentioned the original Xbox. I said "Will MS supprot the 360 like Sony have supported the PS2 and will support the PS3?" Then i said they will, I was arguing against lile's suggestion that it would only have a 4 year life span. This has nothing to do with why they stoped supporting the Xbox, I mean the Gamecube didn't recieve support from Nintendo either. So get over yourself.

So well done, You showed your hatred for me blinds you to the facts and that you need to get a life and stop following me thread to thread with the constant harrassment.

[Grimmy]

You better edit your post there ;)

[5tatic]

Has there been any annoucements by Sony about a Playstation 4?


The PS3 just released last year, and you're already thinking about ps4? :|


also lol at this thread. Both the PS3 and 360 are overrated, while the Wii is the most overrated.

PS3's overrated because of the cell. blah nobody really cares about the cell.

360's overrated because of Live. If Live was so good, then it wouldn't have had so many problems during the holidays. MS should've thought about the problems Live was going to have when so many people buy a 360.

Wii's overrated because of the controller. Well, it doesn't have many 3rd party games mainly because the hardware is too shit to play them. You would never see a game like CoD4 on the Wii. Instead, you get previous gen ports like CoD3.

[Pignoah]

It's not that irrelevant in terms of the potential of the games and possible long lifecycle of the platform, though.

Well yeah of course. But the only thing you need to know really is.


What games has it got?

How fun are they?

[Jimmy_86]

Well yeah of course. But the only thing you need to know really is.


What games has it got?

How fun are they?
I totally agree with that. We've all got to remember the answer to the second question is all opinion.

[Yam Trigger]

When both consoles were first out together, the decison of which one to purchase was based on the information we had at hand. Most people chose the XBOX 360, but at the end of this gaming era who knows what console will have done better.

[Pignoah]

I totally agree with that. We've all got to remember the answer to the second question is all opinion.

I mean yeah those questions are really vague, you want to know what it looks like and all that.

[Др.хуй]

How can it be overrated when it gets so little credit for anything in the media or with the general public, I mean i hear all these complaints about the PS3's poor line up. But what did the 360 have in it's first year exclusive wise? Nothing really except Gears and i know this first hand since i got mine on launch, Yet it never recieved half of the criticism the PS3 is getting for it's similar slow start. To me the PS3 had a better start then the 360, With games like Ratchet, F1, Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk and Uncharted all in it's first year. But it's obvious the 360 overall has the better selection of games, One thing that still puzzles me is why the Wii is getting such praise with it's tiny exclusive line up.

You My Dear friend, Seem like you want to convert readers in a way.

We have all agreed that its all on what peoples tastes are for games that concludes the console for them, And by only mentioning 1 title you like for the 360 and you list 7 games for PS3 in no way explains how the PS3 is better in the long run, It only explains how you are a person trying to show all these fancy titles for the PS3 and make the 360 look like its only worth 1 game.

I think your the one that needs to get over yourself, Not Olin.

[Fry]

You My Dear friend, Seem like you want to convert readers in a way.

We have all agreed that its all on what peoples tastes are for games that concludes the console for them, And by only mentioning 1 title you like for the 360 and you list 7 games for PS3 in no way explains how the PS3 is better in the long run, It only explains how you are a person trying to show all these fancy titles for the PS3 and make the 360 look like its only worth 1 game.

I think your the one that needs to get over yourself, Not Olin.You Mr, I Can't Read, Need to learn how to read.

I was not trying "to convert readers" I was stating my opinion as someone who owns both consoles on why i don't think the PS3 is overrated in the media and by the majority of people. It was a response to Grimmy's post on why he thinks it is overrated, It was in no way related to the question "Will the PS3 be better in the long run?". The list i provided was in relation to how many good "exclusive" games the 360 had in it's first year. While it had many great games, Majority of them were multiplatform and it didn't truely shine untill it's second year. Yet it recieved no criticism in it's first year for it's slow start and the PS3 did for it's equally slow start, Which i feel was due to a first year console being compared to a second year console.

Now as someone who owned a 360 since launch (unlike yourself), I think i might have the knowledge to talk about the 360's early life and the lack of games. Because i actually experienced it (unlike yourself), The only person here who needs to "get over them selve's" and who looks like their trying to justify their purchase of a particular console. Are the people with only one console and no means to getting a second or third unless mummy helps them out.

[phreak]

Check out this news:

In the memo, Mattrick goes on to gloat about the 360's success in North America including figures like $3.5 billion in Xbox 360 hardware, accessories and software were sold in 2007, which is $1 billion more than the Wii and $2 billion more than the PS3. And the goods don't stop there. Mattrick also talks about the 360's third party revenue eclipsing both the Wii and PS3's totals combined and that the 360 should break the record for most revenue generated in a year, breaking the PS2's record. Wowzaz!

Dan Mattrick continues his celebration memo with other facts and figures including such gems like Xbox Live serving 380 million downloads since launch, Live hosting more than 560,000 years of network time and that Halo 3 has logged over 1.5 billion multiplayer matches to date. And with all that info we think it's safe to say that the Xbox 360 is in a solid position among the big three and that 2008 will bring more success. We guess Dan says it best; the Xbox 360 will be "the leader of this generation of consoles". Oh it will.

Source (http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/01/08/ms-memo-claims-360s-record-success-in-07-and-a-next-gen-victor/)

PS3 better in the long run? Can't say so just yet.