I Just Got To Thinking...

[phreak]

You can swim in VCS right? Well, that would mean you can swim to the other side from the beginning of the game. So, is the whole of VC unlocked from the start? Or will Rockstar somehow keep you from getting to other places early (like not being able to swim until later on in the game)?

Not much of a topic, I know. But it's something that crossed my mind :P

[Toni.C]

Well in San Andreas when u swam to another island u hadnt opened yet u automatically got four stars and they wouldnt go away even if u did the police cheat.

[phreak]

Well in San Andreas when u swam to another island u hadnt opened yet u automatically got four stars and they wouldnt go away even if u did the police cheat.

Yeah but that was because of CRASH.

[santos]

Good point, but there will probably be a huge hurricane that will prevent you from going in the water. All bridges being closed to the mainland and such.

[phreak]

Good point, but there will probably be a huge hurricane that will prevent you from going in the water. All bridges being closed to the mainland and such.

Yeah like the water currents being too strong to swim in. Good idea.

[santos]

Yeah like the water currents being too strong to swim in. Good idea.

Not to get off topic, but it's so funny how in the beginning of the game, there's always something that prevents you from going to another part of the city. The huge explosion on the Callahan Bridge, the hurricane in Vice City, what was in San Andreas? I forgot.

Anyway, there will probably be another major hurricane that prevents you from going to another part.

[Ash_735]

what was in San Andreas? I forgot.

An earthquake which wrecked the bridges around the state. Since you could Swim though, They fitted it into the storyline about CRASH not wanting you to leave the City until they see fit.

[DJ Nick]

Mabye the supposed hurricane feature will take out the bridges, making them useless?

[Jimmy_86]

Currents is a good idea but think about this:

The mainland of Vice City (the west island) doesn't have many places where you could climb out of the water. There are only a few places where the land slopes into the water around the airport/docks, around Fort Baxter, and up near the dirt track in downtown. Perhaps these will in some way be blocked so that you may be able to swim there but won't be able to get onto the land. Check it out in a boat, there are very few spots where the land is low enough for you to get out.

Perhaps they will also combime this with the instant wanted level of SA, as part of the story of course.

[CooperG]

They will probally just put up an invisible wall.

[phreak]

I think all of VC should go on ahead and be unlocked, there's really nothing all too new to the map (as far as land goes). At least from what we know now.

[Slim Trashman]

Yeah but that was because of CRASH.

Explain, I don't remember that being the reason you'd get 4 stars when entering an area you're not to be in.

[phreak]

Explain, I don't remember that being the reason you'd get 4 stars when entering an area you're not to be in.

Hernandez calls you up early in the game and warns you not to leave the city, stating they (CRASH) have their eye on you.

[Ash_735]

Perhaps they will also combime this with the instant wanted level of SA, as part of the story of course.

Maybe they will connect it to that guy who is an associate but really an undercover cop!

[Lauwee]

The mainland of Vice City (the west island) doesn't have many places where you could climb out of the water. There are only a few places where the land slopes into the water around the airport/docks, around Fort Baxter, and up near the dirt track in downtown. Perhaps these will in some way be blocked so that you may be able to swim there but won't be able to get onto the land. Check it out in a boat, there are very few spots where the land is low enough for you to get out.
Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe they'll have some excuse for having it higher due to the two year gap. Something maybe was or wasn't built.

And it's very unlikely that they'll just have it all open from the get-go.

[CaliMex]

Mabye the supposed hurricane feature will take out the bridges, making them useless?
I think Rockstar could use that idea to explain why you can't cross the bridges. In VC you couldn't cross because of the threat of a hurricane which was later downgraded into a tropical storm. This way, if there really is a real hurricane then it may be difficult to go to the new islands. It may work like this, everytime you swim out a certain distance from the island the waters just turn you around. That's what happened when you tried to swim away from the map in VC. That's what I think is probably going to happen.

If they use the wanted star idea again then it might tie to the plot and the antagonist. The law is trying to keep people from going to a different island in order to search for a certain person that you may work for or have to kill in the end. Something like that.

Off-topic:
Hey I just noticed that they added the VCS section. I don't remember the last time I logged in but it wasn't there.

[Slim Trashman]

Just got added today.

[xXSoldierXx]

They will probally just put up an invisible wall.


That's what I was thinking, Where you just can't swim to the other Island.

And maybe the other side is unlocked, or maybe there is a 4 star wanted level unlockable activation when you get to another island, who knows...

[randomname]

That's what I was thinking, Where you just can't swim to the other Island.

And maybe the other side is unlocked, or maybe there is a 4 star wanted level unlockable activation when you get to another island, who knows...
I think the invisible wall would destroy GTA's sense of reality (Yeah I know only half the stuff that you can do isnt possible or very unlikely in real life,) But its based on real life and Rockstar would rather have players get to the next island easier than make a crappy invisible wall IMO. The 4 star thing sounds okay but they would have to chain it to the story somehow like in SA, that shouldnt be hard.

[Claude Speed]

Rockstar would be more imaginative than simply blocking you from swimming to the other side. You can be pretty sure it won't all be open from the start too.

[xXSoldierXx]

Wait, Victor Vance is in the Army right?

Well maybe because he is helping his brother instead of working in the Army, maybe because the Military base in on the Second island that the Army soldiers are all around that Island and they don't want any one to pass because of the hurricane.

So if you swim to the other side they go after you and kill you.

[phreak]

Wait, Victor Vance is in the Army right?

Well maybe because he is helping his brother instead of working in the Army, maybe because the Military base in on the Second island that the Army soldiers are all around that Island and they don't want any one to pass because of the hurricane.

So if you swim to the other side they go after you and kill you.

Wouldn't it be weird if you started the game off at the army base and worked your way to unlocking the east island? :P

[Lauwee]

Wow that would be odd. But I guess they could do it just to mix it up a bit:P

[phreak]

Well technically Vic is a marine, so it wouldn't make much since to start off around a base full of army guys, but it would be different. According to PlanetGTA, you start off in a trailer park. So the Vances weren't always rich it seems. But hey, who says the park isn't on the west island? I guess it's not though, because all of the pics are from the east island. Oh well, it's fun to think differently. :)

[xXSoldierXx]

Actually I think the trailer park is on the west Island, because the richer island is the East Island so yeah know?

[Ash_735]

I think It's on the East Island, There were Two construction sites in Washington Beach, One of them is replaced with that Mini Fair and Big wheel, So the other one most likely is replaced with a Small Trailer Park because if you look at the houses in that area they are quite poor-ish.

[Guitar Slinger™]

Perhaps there's going to be a shark warning to stop you from swimming to the other part of the city, i seem to remember sharks being in the water in Vice City, maybe if you go into the water you become "fish food" and get wasted, as in the stats in Vice City.

[phreak]

Haha yeah, maybe it's starting to come together now :P

[yme369]

Although I see no reason to blovk the islands off fro the start, what about you not being able to swim from the start? that you have to unlock the skill to swim...?

[phreak]

Although I see no reason to blovk the islands off fro the start, what about you not being able to swim from the start? that you have to unlock the skill to swim...?

Or learn how to in a future mission :)

[PoRt_PoWeR]

Correct me if im wrong but i cant remember there being to many spots on the west side of the first island where there were places to jump in the water wasn't it block by a gate most of the way along except for the occasional dock with speed boats. I see them using the hurricane since its a new weather feature and maybe they will block the docking parts off with a road block style barrier.

[yme369]

oohoooh, or poluted wter, that needs to be cleaned first, else you die :)

[~Schwab]

Large hurricane barriers! Seeing as you can't climb walls like in SA. Well, not hurricane barriers, but construction wall-like walls that say DANGER - CURRENT TOO STRONG FOR SWIMMING or something.

[phreak]

Large hurricane barriers! Seeing as you can't climb walls like in SA. Well, not hurricane barriers, but construction wall-like walls that say DANGER - CURRENT TOO STRONG FOR SWIMMING or something.

That's a definite possibility.

[Lauwee]

Yes it is. I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what we see.

But I do feel that hurricanes will just be another rare weather effect that occurs. They could either use a whole bunch, like as the game's base, or they could make it just another weather effect that just doesn't occur as often as the others.

[PoRt_PoWeR]

Yes it is. I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what we see.

But I do feel that hurricanes will just be another rare weather effect that occurs. They could either use a whole bunch, like as the game's base, or they could make it just another weather effect that just doesn't occur as often as the others.
Thats what i think too like how the snow was a once off in LCS i thinks this will be used as a weather effect (on and off)up untill you open the roads to the second island then it will disapear.

[Lauwee]

I also have the feeling this hurricanes will turn out like snow in LCS. Everything was hyped that there was going to be snow in LCS, but it turned out that you could only trigger it by completing level nine, I believe, of the car salesman missions. And it isn't even that great.

Hopefully hurricanes won't suffer the same fate.

[xXSoldierXx]

I hope that doesn't happen, and I hope there's a weather affect code to have ahurricane, So it would be fun whenever you want to drive around flying in the air.

[PoRt_PoWeR]

I would like to see what its like in the boat's and the jet ski's why there's a hurricane i remember when it stormed in SA the waves got fairly big. i'd like to see bigger waves that would almost turn boats over and drown you if you fell in. Also since you can swim i wonder if those 2 sunken boats, the submarine and man with cement shoes are there so we could go in for a closer look.

[phreak]

I think it's fairly unrealistic to have hurricanes in a game. Hurricanes are very nasty storms, capable of tearing apart and flooding entire cities, even regions (New Orleans, Gulf Coast, anyone?). Unless Rockstar were to go so far as to implement structural damage to buildings/bridges and the new water effects the ability to flood the streets, I can say it might look a little dumb. What's a hurricane going to be like on VCS? A stronger thunderstorm?

Bleh. :(

[T-Virus]

what would be cool is if the weather forecast is on the radio. so if there is a hurricane coming in, the news would tell the day before. i think the hurricane thing should happen rarely though, or else it would just be stupid. imagine a hurricane daily...

[phreak]

i think the hurricane thing should happen rarely though, or else it would just be stupid. imagine a hurricane daily...

Exactly, my friend. If there's going to be some in the game, it should happen once every 200 days or so...That way it wouldn't get old too fast.

[T-Virus]

Yeah, and then it should be like a real, heavy hurricane/tornado too. So it would be impossible to fly a helicopter, cars could blow off the road, people flying through the air(:))and it could last for 1-5 days.
I would like to see some damage around the city, like buildings destroyed/collapsed, flooding and windows shattered.

[Holster]

Well in San Andreas when u swam to another island u hadnt opened yet u automatically got four stars and they wouldnt go away even if u did the police cheat.

Yeah, it will probably be the same as San Andreas.

[Lauwee]

The most I could see them doing to structural damage is just have the trees be blown to almost a horizontal state. I don't think we'll ever see destructable buildings/bridges in Grand Theft Auto.

Also, would be pretty neat to have the streets flooded a few feet, but still be drivable. And with these new water effects, things could get pretty neat.

[randomname]

Floods would be awesome Larr :P. Also clothes getting wet after touching water would be a cool effect too. And yeah buildings being destroyed would be a little too realistic. Maybe minor damage suck as a few bricks falling out?

[Lauwee]

Or just...dirt. Buildings get dirty and are unkempt after a storm like that. But I know it has something to do with 9/11 that they can't have destructable buildings.

[phreak]

Bah I know Rockstar would never add structural damage, but you can always dream :)

But like I said, floods and wind that would make it hard to travel would be good enough me thinks.

[PoRt_PoWeR]

The most I could see them doing to structural damage is just have the trees be blown to almost a horizontal state. I don't think we'll ever see destructable buildings/bridges in Grand Theft Auto.

.I think the only destruction we might see is if the hurricane stops you from heading over to the second lot of islands (like in VC) and once you get there, there's damage already done (like the earthquake damage in SF)
what would be cool is if the weather forecast is on the radio. so if there is a hurricane coming in, the news would tell the day before. i think the hurricane thing should happen rarely though, or else it would just be stupid. imagine a hurricane daily... You mean like the severe weather warning they put out on VC when you first start the game. Also like i said before i will be suprised if the hurricane is a normal weather effect i think it will be a once off at the start of the game.

[.:Trane-SFC:.]

If anyone gives a damn about my input then read on!!!

I think that a hurricane will happen once through out the storyline. Vice City is meant to be a sunny place.

When I play Vice City usually It only gets storming once or never. So I think VCS will only have one hurricane.

[xXSoldierXx]

You really don't know, you just have to wait and see, and yes I too think it's one of those special weather affects that you don't allways get, like having it snow in Liberty City.

[Lauwee]

I think that a hurricane will happen once through out the storyline. Vice City is meant to be a sunny place..
Vice City = Florida. Florida = Hurricanes. Hurricanes = Realistic weather effect for Vice City Stories that should occur more than once throughout entire gameplay experience.

[scarvice]

I thought the reason you could not go to the other places because of los santos was on lock down or some construction was going on

[Ash_735]

Vice City = Florida. Florida = Hurricanes. Hurricanes = Realistic weather effect for Vice City Stories that should occur more than once throughout entire gameplay experience.

Correction; Vice City = Miami, It's just the one City not the State.

[victim]

Your right Ash. Although Vice City is set in Florida. They even mention Vice City being in Florida on the radio.

[PoRt_PoWeR]

If anyone gives a damn about my input then read on!!!

I think that a hurricane will happen once through out the storyline. Vice City is meant to be a sunny place.

When I play Vice City usually It only gets storming once or never. So I think VCS will only have one hurricane.
Yes but its usualy the tropical sunny places that have hurricanes and also on occasion can have many hurricanes in one wet season

[Lauwee]

Correction; Vice City = Miami, It's just the one City not the State.
Yeah yeah I know. But some of the people in other countries may not recognize a specific city of a US state.

Also, I was being broad.

[I'm a Robot]

If they is a Hurricane and according to the Austrailian Gamepro the first mission includes us on a Jetski so if there was a Hurricane coming why in the Heck would our first mission have us on a Jetski. As for check out other parts in vice city and you want to swim i'm sure Rock* has thought of a way to keep us from going to other island like in Previous GTA games. Also i think they will have a Hurricane in the game but it will be hard for us to tell when it is coming. Hears an idea maybe when we start the game we are at the finishing touches of a Hurricane then another one comes later in the game

[phreak]

The way it looks (and how cheap Rockstar can be sometimes), these "hurricanes" are going to be nothing more than more intense-looking thunderstorms. :\

[I'm a Robot]

The way it looks (and how cheap Rockstar can be sometimes), these "hurricanes" are going to be nothing more than more intense-looking thunderstorms. :\ You never know it could be a hurricane like lets say we are looking at the Sea it should be Humongous Waves that come up to the pier or wherever you are

[PoRt_PoWeR]

god i hope its not a once off like snow that would be a massive let down

[I'm a Robot]

god i hope its not a once off like snow that would be a massive let down Yes it would be a let down.

[Ash_735]

I'm not putting too much hope into this hurrcaine weather, just like Snow in LCS, it will probly be a one off effect, Instead I'm looking forward to all this realism they have put into it, the more natural looking weather, better emotions acting, realistic car and bike handling, etc.

[PoRt_PoWeR]

Yes but i wouldn't expect to much from a PSP although i read that the graphics ect are better then LCS and VC.

[T-Virus]

I'm not putting too much hope into this hurrcaine weather, just like Snow in LCS, it will probly be a one off effect, Instead I'm looking forward to all this realism they have put into it, the more natural looking weather, better emotions acting, realistic car and bike handling, etc.

Same here... The more you feel like you are in a living, breathing city, the more the game will own.

[phreak]

Can't say I disagree with that. :)

[T-Virus]

yeah, like the mall. I really hope Rockstar will make the mall like a place you would hang out this time.
In VC, the mall was as exiting as GTA roleplaying. There should be lots of people. All shops should be open and possible to enter. things should happen there. Like shoplifting for instance, where the mall security would run after the thief to beat him up with nightsticks:)

[Lauwee]

Ooh, and give you another chance to earn a good citizen award:D

[shawzee]

sorry to post in a thread thats been inactive for a week, but the 'learn to swim throughout the game' theory is extremely unlikely, if not impossible, as Vic is a marine, which means that he is a part of a water-specialised force, so i dont think he would have even been able to join up without being able to swim.

[Havok]

maybe for once, the whole game will be open to you from the beggining, it would be a change of pace but its not like it would really hurt. or maybe it dosnt really matter if you can swim because i dont remember any beaches on the other side of the city so where would Vic get out of the water.

[.:Trane-SFC:.]

True. When I play VC from the start and want to go to the second island I put in the cars on water cheat then when im near the other side I put in the flying cars cheat so I can make it over, but . . . there is the boatyard which Vic could swim up but I think they will remodel it.

[victim]

And near the Hyman Memorial Stadium (Named after Hyman Roth from The Godfather Part 2 :) ) There were heaps of little openings that you could easily just swim up.

[.:Trane-SFC:.]

Oh yeah, thats right. They might have to block it off. Hey, also do you think those sunkien ships will still be there? I hope we can explore them!

[xXSoldierXx]

And near the Hyman Memorial Stadium (Named after Hyman Roth from The Godfather Part 2 :) ) There were heaps of little openings that you could easily just swim up.


Yeah, But they could just have those Borders up in the water at first.
You know those metal Lines that keep going out straight in the water when going around liberty City, maybe they might have thos eup at first so you can't get across them....

[.:Trane-SFC:.]

Yeah, But they could just have those Borders up in the water at first.
You know those metal Lines that keep going out straight in the water when going around liberty City, maybe they might have thos eup at first so you can't get across them....

They would have to remove heaps of stuff. They will have to remove all the boats from the Marina since you could just swim over and grab one, park it up against a small wall on the second island, jump on the roof of the boat and jump over and . . . your on the second island

[xXSoldierXx]

They would have to remove heaps of stuff. They will have to remove all the boats from the Marina since you could just swim over and grab one, park it up against a small wall on the second island, jump on the roof of the boat and jump over and . . . your on the second island


True, Well IDK what there gunna do, but we'll just have to wait and see how this works out.

[.:Trane-SFC:.]

You know, they might actully remove the swimming idea altogether since it will be causing such a stir with R*, it would suck to change half of VC just so the swimming feature can fit in. R* removed the car wash idea (Thats why the cars are always dirty and you cant clean them)

[Havok]

well i seriously doubt that they will remove it all together, you could swim in SA and they found a way to keep you off the other islands.
either the hurricanes will have the waters so crazy you wont be able to swim in the them (they did want to take advantage of how life like the water is now), or the coast guard might be patrolling the beaches or somthing for possible cocaine smugglers so if you try to swim to the other islands you get 4 stars, or they just let you go to the other island from the beggining.

[Fry]

yeah, like the mall. I really hope Rockstar will make the mall like a place you would hang out this time.
In VC, the mall was as exiting as GTA roleplaying. lol +rep.

I know what you mean the mall should be filled with shops, if you look at VC they had shops all over the place but the mall only had 3 or 4 actually open id prefer 3-4 shops outside of the mall and the mall filled with like 7-8 shops. Ohh and there definatly need to be more places to rob and occasionally a Ped should rob a store that would be interesting.

[xXSoldierXx]

Also, I know there's no customizing in VCS. But it would be cool if they had a clothes store with like 20 different Outfits to buy just something elce to add to the fun. But nothing like SA.

[Skiller]

Everything about VCS sounds good, Too bad Edison won't be able to make a cheat device for it because of the Required FW update, but heyy, Edison carter and I could still at least try, maybe there will be a way around the Firm Ware, yeah really never know.

[Havok]

i think what they mean about the no custimaztaion is like, no tattoos, no gaining wieght, no gaining muscle, but still changing outfits, i mean they do show him in a wet suit.

[victim]

What the yshould do is make buying clothes quick and simple. However you dont buy seperate items you just buy fixed clothes. So there were stores scattered around Vice each with 20 outfits Exclusive to a particular store and at your house an icon similar to LCS with Catergories of the store names and 20 items of clothing under each. So pretty much a cross between San Andreas an LCS clothing systems

For example
near the beach there could be a store near the beach which sold board shorts, wetsuits and Hawaiian shirts.
In the Mall you could go to Gash or Zip and buy the stylish casual wear like the casual in Vice City
And you can enter Rafaels in Ocean Beach and buy Soiree suits and similar Yuppie wear in there.

There would only be about 3/4 stores because having like 100 outfits to cycle through might take a while.

[Trix]

What the yshould do is make buying clothes quick and simple. However you dont buy seperate items you just buy fixed clothes. So there were stores scattered around Vice each with 20 outfits Exclusive to a particular store and at your house an icon similar to LCS with Catergories of the store names and 20 items of clothing under each. So pretty much a cross between San Andreas an LCS clothing systems

For example
near the beach there could be a store near the beach which sold board shorts, wetsuits and Hawaiian shirts.
In the Mall you could go to Gash or Zip and buy the stylish casual wear like the casual in Vice City
And you can enter Rafaels in Ocean Beach and buy Soiree suits and similar Yuppie wear in there.

There would only be about 3/4 stores because having like 100 outfits to cycle through might take a while.



that's a cool idea.

[Havok]

ya victim i really like that idea, it would make it alot more intresting and alot quicker.

[xXSoldierXx]

I like that Idea my self, It could turn out like that, I hope, But The game will probally be just like LCS with about 20 different outfits you unlock, but I would rather have like 100 different outfits and be able to buy them for the fun of it, and for more realism.

[phreak]

http://www.gtavicecitystories.com/images/news/0817 06023438_scan4.jpg

According to this scan, swimming WILL be unlocked from the beginning. Maybe all of VC will be too. :\

[xXSoldierXx]

http://www.gtavicecitystories.com/images/news/0817 06023438_scan4.jpg

According to this scan, swimming WILL be unlocked from the beginning. Maybe all of VC will be too. :\


Thanks for the heads up, sounds cool.

[Fry]

I doubt all of VC will be open from the start, Rock* will definately block off access to the other islands in my opinion.

[xXSoldierXx]

I doubt all of VC will be open from the start, Rock* will definately block off access to the other islands in my opinion.

Well, I really have No Idea what they are gunna do about that, there's so many different possibilitites, we just ahve to wait and see.

[Fry]

But if you look at every GTA game the whole thing has never been open from the start and i doubt they would begin to do it for VCS.

[xXSoldierXx]

Yep, they will just find a way to try and keep you from getting to the other Island.

[Fry]

I think this new hurricane feature will be the thing keeping us out of the water, like in VC the hurricane will last untill we unlock the other islands the disapear and it will be safe to travell across.

[xXSoldierXx]

I think this new hurricane feature will be the thing keeping us out of the water, like in VC the hurricane will last untill we unlock the other islands the disapear and it will be safe to travell across.


The thing that would suck about that is that you would have to get further int he game before you could swim...

[phreak]

I think this new hurricane feature will be the thing keeping us out of the water, like in VC the hurricane will last untill we unlock the other islands the disapear and it will be safe to travell across.

It won't though, you can swim on the first mission of the game (or so says the scan).

[Pablo Escobar Jr.]

i think you can swim across to the other side, but halfway you get 4 or 5 stars and you get killed by the police

[Skiller]

i think you can swim across to the other side, but halfway you get 4 or 5 stars and you get killed by the police


That's what I think too.

[phreak]

i think you can swim across to the other side, but halfway you get 4 or 5 stars and you get killed by the police

Maybe they do that after you kill that undercover cop. ;D

[Havok]

i dont think the hurricane would keep you out of the water, but i may be wrong, because imagine if there was the hurricane and it lasted until you unlocked the second island, that would be A) unrealistic that a hurricane would last that long and B) lame, considering that not matter what you do, for a short time its always gonna be dark and rainy.

i think it will either be open to you from the begginging, they will take out all the places for you to crawl up onto land, or the cops try to arrest you since they think you are a drug smuggler.

[Fry]

It won't though, you can swim on the first mission of the game (or so says the scan).
i was talking about the roads, they will be blocked off by the hurricane like in VC. You probally can swim from the start but just like SA you'll probally get 4 stars straight away if you try to get on the other islands.

[.:Trane-SFC:.]

I think youll be able to swim across but get 4 stars after. Remember, in SA they didnt even attempt to block you off from swimming there, instead the put a huge bounty on your head. It will probably be the same

[Schism]

They're going on about improved water effects, maybe the 'hurricane' will cause such choppy waters that you will drown if you try to swim too far out.