Take a Hostage

[Bullseye Acme]

HOSTAGE"S. Why has no one ever thought of taking hostages. Imagine you have created chaos throughout the city, the cops, the SWAT, the Army, every law officer all chasing you, you loose control of your bike, fall off and find yourself at a standoff. A nearby women screams at you and you grab her with your new hostage button. All the cops and Army backoff & try to negoiate with you. You walk her over to a nearby Police cruiser, pull the trigger and then air into the car and punch it. A new STAR might be good as well, ARMY Special Opps or somthing more deadlier. Anyway been able to take a hostage would be somthing new & really cool.

[ZCAB]

If a bit of Splinter Cell code is copied, it might work. It'll require a hell of an AI boost, though.

[Don]

That would be good. Putting a gun on someone's head and ask for LOTS of money, or just run, drive away. Of shoot that guy in the head.
I like to see more start indeed. (as I told in another thread)

[John Connor]

Yeah, but its kinda like in 'Dead to Rights' when you take a hostage and I love that game just as much as I cherish my GTA games. Putting an Uzi to someones' head during a stand-off sirrounded by Special Weapons And Tactics vans with SWAT officers' coming out through the back yelling at you to let the hostage go with their guns pointed at you but holding fire while you make your escape and kill the hostage before entering a car and make your getaway. :D I kinda like that.

[brokenfish]

If a bit of Splinter Cell code is copied, it might work.i think the two games work just a little bit differently :p

the ai in this game is way too dumb. one time i punched an old shopper lady, and then when the police vehicle came they ended up killing her by running her over! those smartasses!! :D

[John Connor]

Thats why A.I. needs to be imrpoved massively on GTA.

[brokenfish]

yeah but for the most part i think they play the role of "funnymakers." :D

[Don]

After you took a hostage, and you wait for a while, (you can't decide wich getaway car you should take) the police start to shoot. So you got to make a decision. You can't stand there forever

[John Connor]

Well you can, just as long as your packing an AKS-74 with 100 bullet clips and fire upon the cops and taking cover if your hostage taking backfires, I saw 2 criminals do this in a movie, love to see this in the next GTA. In GTAVC, there was some kind of standoff during the bank robbery mission.

[brokenfish]

movies.. movies..

yeah, in the bank job, there was a little of a hostage situation, but they only killed one person before the swat raided the roof.

[Don]

The bankjob is a good mission, hostage, everything. only the hostage thing is differend like what Bulleye Acme means. you can't ask for more money.... you can't ask for a chopper on the rooftop to fly away..

[brokenfish]

it can be scripted :D

[John Connor]

Well, it would be pretty nice to have a chopper pick you and your partners from a bank job mission and take you back to your lock-up or hideout or if someone else could drive the car instead of you while you cover the car by shooting cops outside the side window.

I really enjoyed the mission "The Job" in VC, though, Phil was pretty funny taunting the police.

[Don]

Or you could hang out the window, with a M4. That would be nice.

Anyway, I did the mission a lot of times, I failed it alot.... After alot of tries, it gets boring

[brokenfish]

i passed it on the first try...

i made sure i was completely ready, with full armor and health and everything. the hardest part was when you had to go outside. i tried to blow up the swat vehicles but then i just killed the police instead :p

[gta master]

they should take some things from the getaway and also max payne.

[brokenfish]

all these old threads...

well max payne was mentioned before in another thread, but getaway is new. i heard it was bad though. but i never played so i dont know

[o_positive]

yeah i think hostages would be awesome too. a good way to balance it would be to add snipers. like, if you have 3 stars when you take the hostage, and you are on foot, after 20 seconds, snipers would drop from heli's onto rooftops, and you would see the lasers. then you would either have to drop the hostage and run, or be close enough to a car to get in (with the hostage).

[brokenfish]

too much like a movie :p
could they even do that back then?
we have a lot more technology now.

[o_positive]

too much like a movie? how can you say that. the cinematic style is the best part of VC. even if someone else is playing, VC is very watchable.

[brokenfish]

oh yeah youre right. people always watch me play :D

i do like the movie style too, but i dont know. the sniper part kind of made me think of slowness.

[o_positive]

yeah it would be a challenge to keep the game balanced if you could take a hostage. i was thinking that the snipers would keep it moving, since you couldnt hold a hostage in one place too long without getting sniped.

the more i think about hostages, the more i think the AI would need a huge improvement. have you guys played halo? that game has some serious AI. i was playing last night, shooting at a few bad guys, and then one went around the mountain and snuck up behind me. it figures that microsoft should be well in touch with the programming of bad guys.

[brokenfish]

bungie made halo. microsoft published. take2 made gta. rockstar published.

the publishers take all credit :evil3:

[Gamerman]

The police in the game should be corrected.

They need to change the part where when you steal a car you dont automatically get a star when no police man saw you, or you randomly fire and you get a star. the police just auto think its u who did the crime.

I thought the police in VC were hard, i got 3 stars and had a crap load of cops all around me.

For the part where you get "busted" you know how the game resumes at the police station or hospital...well they should change it so they actually show you getting arrested and being brought to the station, and from there your either put in jail and can be bailed. For the hospital you should be put in the back of an ambulance and brought to the hospital. that would be more realistic.

[tarmac]

The police can be pretty stupid at times. Like, I recall getting arrested for trying to enter mission vehicles, fucksake!! I'm happy they occasionally chase criminals in VC though, but what I really hate is when someone comes up and starts firing into your face, and when you try and defend yourself, you're the one to get arrested! I can't remember if they corrected it in VC, but I have vivid recollections of getting busted yay many times in GTA3 because of that.

I've heard people complain about la polizia ignoring you going through red lights and smashing into other cars too, but honestly, that would be pretty annoying; you'd practically have a permanent wanted level. Perhaps because they're all corrupt, they just ignore minor crimes or something.

[o_positive]

i dont know about having a busted cutscene, or wasted cutscene. i would get so sick of it. i like the way they have it now.

but it would be kinda cool if you could lose a star or all of your stars by changing cars when there are no cops around or something. or if they could implement something like the suspicion meter in hitman 2. the ai was real good in that game.

like, you have 3 stars, but you pull into an alley, no cops around, and you get in a different car, and drive back out. cops would be around, but no siren. you would have to obey the traffic laws while the stars blinked off, like stopping at lights, going the speed limit. and if you stopped at a light and a cop got close enough to see your face, you woudl get the stars back.

[Ice FuRy]

I agree cause in vc and gta3 if u have like 2 or more stars even if the cops arent around u start driving and one goes flying by and turns around and starts chasing you...then u lose that one and another does it again and again....etc... its CRAZY

[sla]

Having the computer to recognize such a situation will require much advancments. Then you'd have to code who wold actually "care and help" who. Example: Mafia would not shoot if you took one of their fellow Mafia peoples but wouldn't care if you took a cop as a hostage.

[benzferrariguy]

Originally posted by o_positive
yeah i think hostages would be awesome too. a good way to balance it would be to add snipers. like, if you have 3 stars when you take the hostage, and you are on foot, after 20 seconds, snipers would drop from heli's onto rooftops, and you would see the lasers. then you would either have to drop the hostage and run, or be close enough to a car to get in (with the hostage).

that would be awesome if you could see the lasers moving around, idk why, but I find that idea really cool

and I like the whole hostage idea, it would be great, and they could have like a mission where you take the mob boss hostage, and his goons can't do anything, and you throw him in the car, drive away and kidnap him or something, hold him ransom, and have to pick up the ransom payment in another mission, but there are mafia snipers everywhere

[o_positive]

sla - sure it would require a good AI upgrade, but i think its well within the range of even last year's technology. the suspicion meter in hitman 2, and the whole enemy AI in that game was great, and the same kind of thing would be well implemented in GTA.

[Ramboyf5]

I would like to have a hostage, cops can't do anything until u let him/her go.:D

[cyrix]

if you could take hostages then that might be something else for people to attack the game about. i mean it's right now just barely overstepping the boundraries that society will allow. i'm just waiting for man hunt to get taken off shelves....it wouldn't suprise me.

[Valikai]

I dont see why that lieberman fag would bad mouth GTA VC and not Manhunt. Manhunt is a thousand times worse than GTA VC

[Valikai]

I would like to see the next GTA game more like real life.Like ive seen a million cops run people over and not get into trouble. Before you do he Cuban missions the Cubans and Haitains are always having gang wars . i think the cops should try to break them up. its the same with the Security Guards and those other gangs. The hostage situation would be the best idea yet for video games.

[dragonsworn]

I've seen Mafia mentioned I know but Has anyone actually played it? The scenarios you're talking about, Losing the cops by getting into another car unseen, having them come after you when they catch you speeding ar blowing a red light are all in that game.

I don't know how many time I'd throw the cops off by turning into an allyway get out and grab another car ( which by the way I'd have to lock pick because people do lock their cars up) unseen.

Just my 2 cents :p

[Skyline2]

The whole hostage thing would be awesome. Also it would be nice to see building damage. Like if you shoot it, lets see bullet holes. If you shoot it with a rocket launcher, lets see some damage.

[cyrix]

that would require alot more programming....unless your talking about damage that isn't permanent, like if you go to another area and come back it's fixed....

[Skyline2]

yea thats what im talking about. its the little things like damage and taking a hostage that makes me satisfied. lol:violent:

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

the buildings could all get damaged like from rocket launchers and then when u come bak l8r there could b construction vehicles there "fixing" the damage

then u could jak a bulldozer and go on a rampage =)

[cyrix]

i like the idea of being able to jack construction equipment....but as far as the construction crews rebuilding....that's getting way to SIM for me

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

not necasarly them actually "fixing" it just like havin the construction vehicles there and the random builders wandering around it and it mite take a couple of game days 4 the damage to go

[Colonel V]

that would require a lot on the AI of the game. But you could create really cool stunt areas with it. Imagine you have unlimited rocket launcher ammo. you shoot the hell out of down town and you have a massive construction thing going on which blocks off all the roads, and you can get your PCJ and do craploads of stunts on the construction vehicles. Thats a damn awesome idea actually...

[cyrix]

yeah i like it now....just cuz i love doing pcj stunts

[Colonel V]

heh i might incorporate it in my TGC...

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

lol glad my idea was appreciated

[Kung-foo_jew]

I know this may not have anything to do with the topic..well maybe a little..Colonel V has already answered this for me but I was just wondering if someone could help me do it..I want to make it possible for Tommy to do drive-bys with more than just the uzi guns...I wanna be able to use the Ruger or Assualt Rifle..anyway..if someone could just make this mode and post it in the forum..you would have my most significant thank-u's..anyway..Budhai's compassion go with the man who can help..bye

P.S: Brokenfish...im looking toward you.

[cyrix]

still though...it would take alot of AI even without some of the elements in it.

[Colonel V]

heh you know where the other thread is KFJ, but if i have time, i'll try and make it

[The Master]

it's best taking hostage in the getaway because u can either:

shoot them in the head,
arrest them (when ur D.C. Carter; (a cop),
or break their necks its wicked!

[Colonel V]

yes, we all know that, you should put it in the 'GTA, Getaway or True crime' thread.

[cyrix]

*yawns* so tired of insurgence nemore.

ps. colonel....i can't help thinking your pic looks like saddam after they caught him....it makes me laugh

[Kung-foo_jew]

i odn't much like it either...no offence to Colonel V...i kno he's a goood guy

[cyrix]

oh i wasn't talking abuot colonel except for his pic that was all

[Colonel V]

ok fine...ill change it

[dragonsworn]

Who is that anyway colonel V?

[Colonel V]

it's nobody, i just looked at the original avatars, and modified one of them in paint.

[dragonsworn]

I see. I thought maybe it was from some older game or sumthin.Ah well drink and drive ,live and learn

[cyrix]

no colonel....i didn't have a problem with it...i thought it was funny

[Colonel V]

Well what do you think of the new one? I'm gonna make another one anyway.

[cyrix]

as i've said before. if you can take a hostage that will just put more fuel on the fire for the right wing conservatists to wine and bitch about. before you know it they'll be blaming all organized crime on gta....


dude we so need to get back on topic, otherwise were spamming hardcore right now. and yeah i like it but you gotta get creative...not necessarily original creative....but i mean hell look at my avatar....funny stuff ain't it?

[Colonel V]

Yeh but the essence of GTA is crime. Why would they allow other games to have hostages and not GTA?

[cyrix]

because those games were toned down in other area's which let them get away with it. i think it's a good idea, but i don't wanna see anything put in the game that will do any of the following
1. mess up the gameplay, it's good as is
2. draw any worse media attention (thus possibly getting it banned from stores
3. give alcoholic soccer moms something else to bitch about
4. give retarded old politicians another thing to try and seem hip about just because they know what it is

[dragonsworn]

I think cyrix makes some good points there.Mostly
1. I wholly agree
2. Hmmm. Double edges sword there. More media attention makes people go out and bye it just to see what it is but if wally world stops carrying it them a lot of people are out of luck.
3.They gotta have sumthin to bitch about while they make there morning martinis!
4.too late.
Just my opinion:p

[cyrix]

lol....ya know what pisses me off about wal of mart? they carry vice city and manhunt....but they won't carry a cd that swears? what the fuck?

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

lol that is really stoopid. there aint n e wall marts here but theres a lil corner shop near my house that dus the same sorta fing. Its just fuked up lol

[cyrix]

i know...what were they thinking? ok swearing is bad....but stealing cars and money, killing people, and prostitutes??!!!??!!! It get's my seal of aproval *thumbs up*

[DOLLARD]

This post used 2 b about hostages,I'd like that.

[cyrix]

hostages.....ya know if you die in a hostage situation you get more money from your insurance agency

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

u want insurance in the next GTA? lol

[DOLLARD]

HAHAHAHA...you guys.

[cyrix]

no no no....i was just stating a random fact. but the hostage situation has to be, i believe, by foreign terrorists. maybe insurance wouldn't hurt either lol.......but who would insure us in the game? all we do is destroy shit!

[DOLLARD]

Bull's eye!

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

lol mayb...gang insurence....the gangs u werk 4 protect u...if u get in2 trouble they help u out....thats sum weird insurence but it would be good

[cyrix]

well if you think about it the money you recieved at vercetti estate was insurance money paid by the other places so they wouldn't get robbed by you and so you would protect them.

[Ramboyf5]

Yeah, the mission which had to do with protection was "shakedown" just when you kill Ricardo Diaz and aqcuire his mansion. It was a frustrating mission for me, at first I couldn't beat it but in the end....

[cyrix]

i just sniped most of the guys. it made it easy. plus i found all the packages and loaded up on colt bullets.

[Mad Max]

That missin was'nt to hard. I don't now about taking a hostace, it would be cool but it could fuck up the game. Everytime when you would get into serious trouble you'd just take a hostage and move on to the next time you'd need one

[Ramboyf5]

Hostages might be a waste, but human shields would be way better.

[The Reaper Banned]

Hostages would be fun. It'd be like "Where's the money?!" You take the money, release OR shoot the hostage, and you win. Like a ransom.

[cyrix]

see then i think the game would take on a true crime esque' vibe.....not exactly but similar

[FallingStarBomb]

As long as you shoot them in the head (with a pistol) and they die right there, instead of surviving and running away. I hate when in Vice City and GTA3 when you aim at their head (PC version) with a pistol (the 9mm) and it's not a one-shot kill.

[The Reaper Banned]

You've got my hopes up and successfully dashed them... good show, sir!!

[Geff]

I thought of this after playing the ever-awful "The Getaway". Its a good idea to employ.

[Sal]

Oh now that would be really cool!

What a great way to buy some time and hold the cops at bay for a bit while you try to figure out how you're going to do get out of a hairy situation. Excellant idea.

It's probably not in there but boy, would that ever be a fun option to fool around with.

[OkComputer]

Everyone has thought of hostage taking, its been mentoned before senor unregistered guest. Man there should be some aphex twin on the game soundtrack