BF Injection: Not a generic dune buggy afterall

[Zeromaru]

Alright, so everybody thought that the BF Injection was just a generic dune buggy made by Rockstar. Well, we were wrong.

Volkswagen Dune Buggies. Do a Google Image search. Or, look at these pics

http://www.hubcapcafe.com/i/2001/mn_bug_in/vw_7003 .JPG
http://www.manxclub.com/botm-4-04/kestenberg2.jpg
http://www.greaterdakotaclassics.com/sold/images/6 7_dunebuggy/67_dunebuggy01.jpg

I apologize if this is old news, but I've never heard tell of it, personally. I think it's a great find, as the BFI has always been my favorite vehicle and I always wished to have a real one, and now I can. What makes it better is that I discovered this looking through the Buy & Sell Magazine (a weekly classified magazine in Newfoundland), some guy has one in excellent condition for only $7K. Now, if I had $7K it would be bettter but them's minor details. Still an awesome find.

[KILLAGRAM]

Cool that you found some in real life. The car in the game(s) are of course based off of dune buggies, which started out with VW engines but now have small block chevys, fords, etc.

[Donald Love's Assassin]

Yeah, about 90% of the vehicles in the GTA games are based off real life ones. So this comes as no surprise.

[TONY_ak47]

Isn't it 100%?

[Extremer]

Well its 99.5% max, because Slamvan is a generic one.

[SeaNorris]

No, thats based on something too.

It could be based off either of these:

http://www.kentuckycarclubs.com/1969ChevroletCST-10.jpg

Or/And this:

http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/sidewinder2.jpg

http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/sidewinder.jpg

:cool:

[Asif]

Originally posted by SeaNorris
http://www.kentuckycarclubs.com/1969ChevroletCST-10.jpg


That is Sadler in the game.

http://www.g-unleashed.com/files/16_vehicle_sadler.jpg

[SeaNorris]

Mist be the one below that is the Slamvan

[Asskicker]

Originally posted by Zeromaru
Alright, so everybody thought that the BF Injection was just a generic dune buggy made by Rockstar. Well, we were wrong.

No, I always knew that it existed in real life. Starsky & Hutch drive one in one of their episodes and you can also see it during the introtheme of a Starsky & Hutch episode. They do a big jump with it and it's kinda totally rusted.

[Zeromaru]

100% of GTAIII, VC, and SA cars are based on real ones. Sometimes there are variants, like the front fisca on the Buffalo being different from the real Camaro (the rest is exactly the same). The Slamvan isn't generic.

http://www.pilesgm.com/Carshow/CAR%20SHOW%20IMAGES/ 2003%20cars/BILLY%20WAINSCOTT%201971%20GMC%20TRUCK .jpg

That's a 1971 GMC Truck. Look familar? All trucks in San Andreas are GM's. Don't trust any list you find which gives you the real car name of any GTA car until you've done an image search.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, but someone mentioned the Sadler. For those who don't know, it's a Chevrolet LUV (the predacessor to the S-10, which the Bobcat is based on).

[Asskicker]

That's why I love the Esperanto, because it's a Caddy Eldorado clone. Sweet.

[DiscoBombs]

Esperanto is a U.N language:p

[Asskicker]

Yes, I know it's also an universal language, but it totally sucks because it's an artificially made language, and if we were to use it in real life, it would start splitting up in different variaties and we'd end up with again a whole bunch of different languages, so it's pointless using it. (The idea behind it wasn't bad though)

[Zeromaru]

Yes, the Esperanto is a Cadillac Eldorado. A "Caddy" is an adolescent assistant to a golfer. And math is the only universal language. Esperanto may be international, but far from universal.

[Big Fella]

Originally posted by Asskicker
No, I always knew that it existed in real life. Starsky & Hutch drive one in one of their episodes and you can also see it during the introtheme of a Starsky & Hutch episode. They do a big jump with it and it's kinda totally rusted.

I always wanted one too.... years before the first Top down view GTA came out. As for poeple not knowing? Maybe a small few, I cant see alot of poeple didnt know.

To Asskicker----- Do they even play Starsky & Hutch anymore? I use to watch it all the time, but I havent seen it on TV in a long time.

[Asskicker]

Well, for the moment, they show it on Belgian TV again, so whenever I can, I watch it. I grew up with that show. It was my favourite, they totally rule.

I said Caddy Eldorado because I assumed that many of you knew that Cadillac is often nicknamed Caddy. Just like people rarely say Oldsmobile, and instead say, an Olds. Or like people refer to a Chevrolet by saying Chevy. It's called slang, people.

[Zeromaru]

I think Starsky & Hutch comes on TV Land, along with all the good shows from the 60s and 70s.

And I know Caddy is slang. But I dislike it for two reasons.

One, compared with Chevy, Caddy has a seperate meaning, making it ambiguous. Chevy is directly derived from a word that's already awkward to say. And Olds was the surname of the man who made the first Oldsmobile.

Secondly, I mostly hear it from dumbasses who like to "pimp" their vehicles, mostly those with Escalades and are too stupid to realize that it's a freaking Tahoe.

For the record:
Cadillac Escalade = Chevrolet Tahoe = GMC Yukon
Cadillac Escalade ESV = Chevrolet Suburban = GMC Yukon XL
Cadillac Escalade EXT = Chevrolet Avalanche

Save yourself the money and get a Tahoe. Tahoe base price: $34K. Yukon: $37K. Escalade: $54K. They're all mechanically the exact same. The bit of "luxury" you might find on the Cadillac is either relatively useless (like adjustable pedals) or can be done with aftermarket "pimping" which you would do anyway (like sound system).

[DiscoBombs]

Things usually work that way in the auto industry. Although a GMC gets much better gas milage than Cadillac or Chevrolet making it mechanically different from the others
the reason that Cadillac and Chevrolet look the the same is because they are both GM.(I think)

[Asskicker]

Originally posted by Zeromaru
And I know Caddy is slang. But I dislike it for two reasons.

One, compared with Chevy, Caddy has a seperate meaning, making it ambiguous. Chevy is directly derived from a word that's already awkward to say. And Olds was the surname of the man who made the first Oldsmobile.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you or the Cadillacs. I like Cadillacs and Oldsmobile. But I'm not into pimping them, not at all. It's like tuned imports, I hate those too. The way to big weels and all the crap on it just screws up the car. If one they, I'm ever to buy a Cadillac or other American car, i'd rather see the original rims on it (especially on the models from the early 50ties till the late 80ties. My favorites American cars are from the late 60ties/early 70ties though.) The big problem is that in Belgium, there are high taxes on American cars. Taxes for importing, supertaxes because they have alot of horse power and you the fuelconsumption will kill you, since there are high taxes on fuel in Belgium too. (For petrol, if we didn't have to pay the taxes on it, the price would be almost 60% lower, can you believe that?) Anyway, until then, I can only dream of driving a Cadillac or Oldsmobile.

[Zeromaru]

THANK YOU! I also despise pimping or any aftermarket things you would do to a car. I've been looking around for a small car to buy, and every Civic I see gets immediately scratched off my list because of what OTHER people do to it. And you have my sympathies about the high taxes on cars. We have (or used to have, supposedly, there's new legislation that isn't being enforced yet) high insurance rates, especially for young males such as myself. And we have a lot of taxes on gas, too. 60% seems about right.

Vote4Pedro!, check out these links.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2005_Cadill ac_Escalade.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2005_GMC_Yu kon.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2005_Chevro let_Tahoe.shtml

The Tahoe and Yukon base models have a 4.8L, so look at the 2nd entries (the 5.3L, which is the same as the Escalade base). They're all mechanically the same, with slight deviations in exterior/interior styling. If you wish, you can view all the different but same vehicles like the Escalade here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_GMT_platform#GMT8 00). Chevrolet, GMC, Cadillac, among others are all marques of General Motors. They're about as distinct as each other as... Well, they're not companies or groups or anything in their own right. They're just names that GM puts on various vehicles.

[Asskicker]

Yeah, insurances can rip you off too. In Belgium, you can't drive your car if you're not insured for it. (Well, you can, but if you get caught, you get to pay alot and stuff). On the one hand, I think it's good that insurances are obligatory, because accidents do happen, and the insurance makes things alot easier (especially when somebody hits you and he can't pay you because he's out of work and has no money saved up and so). But on the other hand, it kinda rips you off too. Like you said, young drivers can't get an insurance that easely, and they are often very expensive. To give an example, my mom's car has about 150 HP, since she never had any accidents and has been driving for a long time, she doesn't pay much of insurance. But a year and a half ago, I got my driver's licence and since I drive my mom's cars, we have to pay an extra € 500 just so that the car would also be insured when I drive it.

[gangstapickle]

yeah insurance is a good thing in the long run,

and that VW buggy is sweet lookin i want one!!!!

[KomsOne]

Isn't the Slamvan a Chevy CST?

[Zeromaru]

I know the "Real Life Car List" FAQ at IGN lists it as a Chevy CST, but that's not entirely correct. For one, the truck was actually called "Chevrolet C/K", but even then they only had 2 headlamps (see here (http://images.google.ca/images?q=chevy%20cst) for images), while the GMC Truck (which is mechanically identical anyway) has 4, which matches the Slamvan. The FAQ has several errors, like listing the Rancher/Ranger/FBI Rancher as Fords, when they're really 1973-80 model Chevys/GMCs (there are several other errors as well). The "Real Life GTA-SA" mod shares these same errors. I won't bother doing up a list of the ones that I've found, but if you're wondering about a specific car, do an image search on the supposed "real" car and compare it to the ingame one. If it's not identical, then chances are it's listed wrong. The only example I can think of that wouldn't be identical is the Buffalo, which is a 3G Camaro with a different front fisca to differ it from the Phoenix (which is a 2G Firebird).

EDIT: I will tell you some that I've found, as they're too blatant yet not very obvious.

Sadler: Listed as a 1960 Ford F-100, but is really a Chevrolet LUV. Ironically, he also lists, correctly, the Walton as a 1960 Ford F-100.
Manana: Listed as a Dodge Aries (which previous Mananas had been), but this one is a Dodge Shadow .
Rancher: Listed as a 1980 Ford Bronco, is really 1981-1987 Chevrolet C1500 (with a cap). The FBI Rancher is the same, except it's the Crew Cab Model.
Stratum: Listed as a 1993 Dodge Stratus (probably because of it's name), but it's a lot closer to the Mercury Sable of the same era.
Slamvan I've already talked about.
Landstalker: Listed as a 1989 Jeep Grand Cherokee, which definately isn't right (it was called the Grand Wagoneer at the time), but it's a Ford Explorer of the same era.
Taxi: Listed as a 1989 Holden VR Commodore (which I cannot find a picture of), but it's definately the same Chevy Caprice model used for the Premier and LS/SF Police cruisers.

There may be other mistakes, but as you can see, my area of expertise is GM Trucks, so I can't speak for the rest without intensive research (which I'm too lazy to do atm).

[KomsOne]

I also thought the Rancher was a Ford Bronco.

WTF is a Holden Commodore?

[Dunkz]

Wow, i though that the BF Injection was just a random car made by R*. nice :D

[Zeromaru]

Holden is a GM marque used in Australia. Very popular. The equivalent of Chevrolet in America, Vauxhaul in UK, Opel in Europe, and Daewoo in Asia. The Commodore is an immensely popular mid-to-large size sedan, estate (station wagon), and ute (see below). It competes with the Ford Falcon (in Australia) much the same that Chevy/GMC, Dodge, and Ford trucks compete here. IOW, intensely.

A "ute" in Australia is a pickup truck built on a large sedan chassis. The Chevy El Camino and Ford Ranchero are examples, except where they became unpopular in the Americas, they became extremely popular in Australia. Thus, the style is still sold there as the Holden Commodore.

[SeaNorris]

''Daewoo in Asia.''

Wrong this is, we had then in the UK along with Vauxhall

[Asskicker]

Yeah, I watch Top Gear, and they do have Daewoo. But now they're gonna do a rip-off, the gonna put "Chrevolet" on some of the Daewoo models.

[Zeromaru]

I know that Daewoo is in the UK. But Vauxhall originated in the UK, Opel in Germany, and Daewoo in South Korea. Because of the origins, they tend to be the most popular of GM's brands in their home country. Many Daewoo's get branded as Chevrolets in worldwide, Buicks in China, Opels in Europe, Holdens in Australia, the list goes on. The reason for rebranding as Chevys is because GM intends to make Chevrolet it's international marque, though I personally disagree with badge engineering (if Daewoo made the car than it should be known as a Daewoo).

[KILLAGRAM]

The third and most recent 3D esperanto is a cross between an Eldo & and an Olds Toronado, sister cars from GM. The rear end much resembles a late 70's Toronado.

[gangstapickle]

hahahahaha hes right it does!!!!

[Asskicker]

The back of an 1978 Oldsmobile Toronado:
http://www.jalopyjunction.com/sitebuilder/images/I MG_0132_A-293x182.jpg
The back of an 1978 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz:
http://auta5p.car.cz/srazy/slavkov_2004/slavkov_10 7.jpg
The back of a GTA San Andreas Esperanto:
http://www.gtareview.com/grafika/pojazdy_gta3/espe ranto.jpg

The third picture is a bit dark, but you can always play your game and go get an Esperanto to get a clearer view.

[Zeromaru]

GTA Garage Mod Manager is an excellent program for getting a good view of any vehicle. When I was trying to confirm if a certain GTA car was a certain real life vehicle, I'd find the picture of the vehicle than reposition the car in GGMM so they're at the same angle. It really makes a big difference.

[Asskicker]

Yeah, but still I think the Esperanto got a bit from both on the back. The lights are those of the Oldsmobile while the design looks more like the Cadillac.