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rappo
09-18-2009, 10:18 PM
Let me start off by saying that I don't smoke marijuana and don't do any other drugs, not even prescription drugs - this is so that you can know the following isn't just because I want to get high legally or something. I know there's another thread about legalizing drugs but I think that's a little silly since this world would obviously be an awful place if all drugs were legal. This is just a more specific application for California.

The state of California currently has a deficit of somewhere around $24 billion, while the city of Los Angeles alone is out about $280 million. A state budget is a hard thing to balance - hell, they made a balancer available online so everybody could see how hard it is: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-statebudget-fl,0,95571.htmlstory. The choices are specifically "evil" probably to make you sympathize with the state government. I don't really sympathize, and definitely don't condone all the things they're currently doing to try and minimize the deficit - cutting summer school from public universities, forcing city employees to take "furloughs," essentially several days per month you're not allowed to come into work and thus not make any money for that day, etc. I think the state government is beating around the bush and that they'll hopefully come around to the near-solution to our deficit: legalizing marijuana. I say near-solution because it won't bring us back to an even footing very soon, but it will definitely help.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has shown interest in pursuing the legalization of marijuana, but things never seem to get off the ground. There are still those skeptics holding it back - they have somewhat valid points, but there really are no better solutions in my opinion. Cutting funding for education and forcing city workers to lower wages don't really make sense to me - they are effectively taking the tools away from people to earn money and spend it in the state and boosting the economy.

It's been estimated that legalizing marijuana will bring $1.4 billion in revenue to the state each year. We're probably in the negative revenue region at the moment - anything positive is good! Marijuana production is already estimated to be the top industry in California even while it's illegal, and legalizing it would broaden the scope of who it can be sold to, resulting in even higher profits. Unfortunately the people in power are stuck-up, old folks that were raised with hippies who think that California will slow to a turtle's pace if people can legally smoke weed.

Since I don't think the state government will budge on the issue, I'm glad that people are taking it into their own hands. Apparently about 56% of state voters would already be in favor of legalization, and hopefully in next years' state elections we can put it to the test:

One group is preparing to place a statewide initiative for the November 2010 ballot that would regulate and tax the sale of marijuana for Californians 21 years of age and older. Tellingly, the group spearheading the measure calls itself TaxCannabis2010.org, stressing the revenue advantages of marijuana legalization. The group hopes to collect the required 650,000 voter signatures by January to place the measure on the ballot.

I'm tired of seeing social services and community projects cut because of a deficit. California has always been a progressive state, and I'm hoping that the destruction of government-backed services doesn't continue. A lot of conservatives like to blame the deficit on this "socialism" when in fact the main portion of the deficit was brought about by the economic-conservative idea of free market (http://www.gtagaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t= 118077).

Most opponents of legalizing marijuana say that we don't need another harmful drug in the hands of our citizens. I agree, but they're smoking it anyway and the state isn't getting anything out of it. In fact we're WASTING money on marijuana users by sending them to publicly funded jails. It's also far less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, two drugs that are most likely allowed solely for the profits they bring... why not throw marijuana into the mix as well? I think it's all culture and the way that our legislators have been brought up. There is no scientific evidence to support the legality of tobacco and the ban of marijuana - it's all social code. That's why I'm hoping the ballot does include the bill next November so that California's people can decide for themselves. If they do in fact the majority doesn't want it legalized, so be it - at least we'll get the chance to vote!

Aaand that's about it, I probably left out some things but oh well. Thoughts? Concerns? Do share...

jwrebholz
09-18-2009, 11:54 PM
CA can legalize Mary Jane all it wants--it doesn't matter.

The Feds say marijuana is illegal, and what they say goes. CA already allows medical marijuana..which is nice and convenient for the DEA--the clinics get raided on a regular basis, their operators fined and jailed repeatedly. Whenever a federal law contradicts a state law, the federal law takes priority.

I agree that legalizing pot is the way to go. I'm totally behind you on that. But it needs to happen not at the state level, at the FEDERAL level. The War on Drugs MUST END--it's at best a money-sucking boondoggle.

rappo
09-19-2009, 02:39 AM
I actually disagree - I don't think it needs to happen on a federal level in order to work. The medical marijuana clinics getting raided are most likely because they are doing illegal business with the marijuana that they grow. If it's illegal, they should be fined and jailed that's obvious. But if marijuana is legalized the federal government is not going to come and raid people that are growing and selling within the state's regulations. State laws can be followed and recognized without a federal counterpart - take gay marriage for example. It may not be recognized in every state but it's still allowed in a state that has legalized it, without intervention by the federal government.

lillb
09-19-2009, 12:48 PM
I have to agree with just about everything you've said. And I think if it came to a vote it would probably pass. I mean I was skeptical at first but my state actually decriminalized possession of less than one ounce of marijuana. It is merely a fine (about $100) now and won't even go on your permanent record. Also lots of younger people are voting now, so I'm sure many (even those like you who don't use the drug) will have an open mind towards it. It's definitely some of the older generation that are still in power who are stuck in their ways.

On a related note, my state is reconsidering allowing a resort-type casino be built. It has been a debate for years and the state government kept denying it. I think it would help us since we (although not as bad as CA) are also feeling the squeeze on public services and what not.

Also if it does happen to become legal in CA it will give me another reason to go visit your state. :)

Comeback209
09-19-2009, 04:25 PM
Medical Marijuana Clinics are raided because they're seen as a joke. Anyone and their mother can get a card if they wanted. Hell, I quit smoking 4-5 years ago and I decided to get one for shits and giggles(I work in IT, so my excuse is "hand and finger pain"). It'd be great if they just finally legalized it. That's money into my state's pockets and the downfall of MILLIONS of dollars made by criminals, taking down a large portion of them.

If there's one drug to legalize, it'd be Marijuana. I never met anyone so high that they beat their wife and kids. But, unfortunately, it's an every day thing to families with an alcoholic in the family, a substance that's not only legal, but advertised regularly.

Ænemy
09-19-2009, 05:07 PM
Don't care, as long as I don't see a dude without pants walking into the class room, especially if it were to be a teacher. I'd laugh like hell.

They can go ahead and legalize this, just as long as it's always in the privacy of someones home and not while dirivng.

Olin
09-19-2009, 05:23 PM
Don't care, as long as I don't see a dude without pants walking into the class room, especially if it were to be a teacher. I'd laugh like hell.

They can go ahead and legalize this, just as long as it's always in the privacy of someones home and not while dirivng.I don't really understand this post. Without pants? What?

Kodo
09-23-2009, 04:14 AM
Pertaining to medical marijuana, the rules say get your MMJ card, don't sell to anyone outside the collective, and pay your business taxes. Use good common sense & provide benefit to society and there's no problem. The MMJ businesses that are being shut down are the ones participating in illegal activities, such as dealing illegal drugs, avoiding paying business taxes, or providing mmj to people without proper documentation. CA attorney general's office supports MMJ following the Compassionate Use Act of 1996. Recently, there have also been some important case laws that in fact *protect* the collectives that play by the rules. If a dispensary is being robbed the police have to come save it like any other business. Another example, one defendant sued the local police for destroying his garden, even after showing them proper documentation, and for this he won in appellate court (Butte County v. David Williams - 3rd Appellate District) One precedent determined that storefront dispensaries are legal as collectives/coops (Riverside County DA v. Stacy Robert Hochanadel et al. - 4th Appellate District)

So what's going on here is that marijuana has a recognized use right now, at least medically, and it is being enforced by law. Soon people will realize its economic potential (it's literally a modern day gold rush) & if the sale of marijuana is properly regulated, it could be a safe and profitable economy for not only the state of CA but the whole country. It really comes down to cultural ignorance for why it is not yet accepted on the national level.

V-Gamer
09-23-2009, 02:07 PM
There's a lot of questions that are raised when this comes up though.

Are you allowed to smoke at professional sporting events?
Are you allowed to produce marijuana out of your own home?

It would have similar laws and restrictions, to alcohol, but completely different at the same time.

Would you be allowed to smoke on a college campus? Like a cigarette?
Is their a limitation on how much I can purchase in a day?

A lot of changes would have to be made. But I do 100% support the legalization of marijuana. Fo sho.

rappo
09-23-2009, 07:38 PM
Those questions you raised actually seem really easy to answer. And I don't think much has to change for marijuana to be legalized. The laws are already here - we can simply combine cigarette (since it's still smoking) and alcohol (since it's mind-altering) laws to pretty much cover it all. I'll just go through your questions:

Are you allowed to smoke at professional sporting events?
No, that's already a rule for cigarettes so marijuana would be no different. No smoking at sporting events, non-smoking hotels, non-smoking restaurants, etc.

Are you allowed to produce marijuana out of your own home?
Yes as long as you don't sell it for untaxed profit, and the source you bought it from was legal. As far as I know you can grow your own tobacco and roll your own cigarettes, so why not...

Would you be allowed to smoke on a college campus? Like a cigarette?
No, like in the Netherlands, for instance, you won't be allowed to smoke marijuana in public. It would be considered public intoxication like drinking in public because it does distort your judgment. You also would not be allowed to have marijuana within grabbing distance (basically, only allowed to keep it in the trunk) while in your car, like alcohol - alcohol has open-container rules but you can't really apply that to marijuana.

Is their a limitation on how much I can purchase in a day?
No, but there should be a limit on how much you can have on you at once, which is also a law in the Netherlands I believe. It would be too difficult to regulate how much one purchases in a day, but if police have enough reason to believe that you're carrying too much and/or dealing illegally then you should be searched.

V-Gamer
09-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Well put man.

Email your Senators/House Reps. lol.

Smashblu
10-19-2009, 11:07 AM
Put a stop to the entire war on drugs. Millions (billions) of wasted dollars every year on a fruitless effort to stop drug trafficking. All it does is promote more criminal activity.

rappo
10-19-2009, 01:56 PM
Email your Senators/House Reps. lol.
I'm pretty sure Boxer, Feinstein, and Pelosi already have Sunday afternoon toke sessions together, they just don't want to promote something and lose some contintuents!

flint.44
10-20-2009, 10:28 AM
Apparently, the government spends around $16 billion annually on drug enforcement. This could be cut down to maybe 10 or 11 billion if they legalized marijuana.

HH
10-21-2009, 01:25 AM
Apparently, the government spends around $16 billion annually on drug enforcement. This could be cut down to maybe 10 or 11 billion if they legalized marijuana.

I watched a documentary stating that at least 70% of that $16 billion you state is to combat marijuana specifically. I can't remember the exact percentage, but it was between 70% and 90%.

Kodo
10-21-2009, 10:39 PM
This is new: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/10/20/just-say-yes-us-mellows-on-medical-marijuana/

The Justice Department told federal prosecutors yesterday to back off medical-marijuana users who comply with state laws.

A memo from Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, affirming a policy disclosed earlier this year, said it was “unlikely to be an efficient use of limited federal resources” to prosecute “individuals with cancer or other serious illnesses who use marijuana as part of a recommended treatment regimen.”

rappo
10-27-2009, 02:43 PM
We're really getting somewhere: http://laist.com/2009/10/27/assembly_committee_to_ hold_hearing.php
Even if this hearing doesn't have too much effect, the fact that it's happening is a big step.

Kodo
10-27-2009, 02:49 PM
CA is like willy wonka land for weed now

rappo
11-12-2009, 01:54 AM
Hahah good, bring all your money to my state please. You know how big of a boom tourism will see if marijuana is legalized here? Man I really hope this shit goes through. Come here and buy weed so I can get a goddamn rail system.



edit: Here are some great articles by a Los Angeles Times writer about medical marijuana in Los Angeles County:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez28-2009oct28,0,1142950,full.column
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez4-2009nov04,0,4492197,full.column

Basically he talks about how big of a joke it is, and how all the formalities of obtaining prescriptions or recommendations for MMJ are pointless - that the best way to handle the situation is legalization.

Kodo
11-12-2009, 02:02 AM
i'm still thinking about moving to san diego and making some $$ off mmj before there's too much competition

rappo
11-12-2009, 02:06 AM
Yeah it's a huge business if you have the means to grow or have connections for obtaining it. I don't think it's possible to get a permit for a new location in LA now though, you'd have to open one up illegally, like the 600 collectives that the article mentions.

Also to be honest, I think it's a little sad that these MMJ collectives bank off of the sicknesses of people using it :P It's true that some people might just have an MMID for kicks, but a lot of people use it for their pain, disease, stress, etc. Collectives' prices are really high, and I'm assuming they are turning a big profit because (unfortunately) a lot of them operate with illegal suppliers.

Kodo
11-12-2009, 01:41 PM
alec you should do an experiment. investigative journalistic approach - see how easy it is to get a card and join a club

Kodo
11-16-2009, 11:06 PM
actually for my film production class i am considering doing a documentary on michigan's medical marijuana status. time to research bleh. i am excited to find out what's going on though, cause i know they are trying to take after california in ways.