View Full Version : New metal gear confirmed
Jaytow
05-27-2009, 05:48 AM
Update:
A new Mgs announced for PSP
And metal gear coming to xbox Metal Gear Solid rising.
As most of you know http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html is a kojima website that originally had a rainy screen with a 200 hour countdown, when it ran out another 200 hour countdown appeared but this time a what looks like a "5" or an "S" flashed across the screen. Then when the next timer counted down there were the symbols "E3" and "e" (with another timer). Last night (or this morning rather) at 2AM the next countdown ran down and now big boss flashes across the screen with the letter "R" (Raiden anyone).
Kojima prods said this is a countdown to their next game but didnt say it was MGS but the flash of big boss has got to be definite confirmation right?
Again;
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html
Hideo Kojima said a few months ago that he will be making a comment at E3 about the next MGS. Maybe he wont be doing it? WHo knows although he has always said he would like to stay with mgs even if not through as big a role as he has played with other MGS titles.
Wow...
I've seen the letter's E, P, S/5, R and 3
I don't get it.
The picture of Big Boss is awesome. I've noticed he is still wearing his green baret.
EDIT: As you said, this pretty much confirms that the next game will be a Metal Gear. I can't think of anything else.
JRussell89
05-27-2009, 07:26 AM
Interesting. I just don't understand why they've chosen to show Big Boss again. I mean....
The story is over concerning him. He died, what else is there to tell?
Maybe though, there is just a little bit more than we all thought. I can't wait either way.
Jaytow
05-27-2009, 07:28 AM
Interesting. I just don't understand why they've chosen to show Big Boss again. I mean....
The story is over concerning him. He died, what else is there to tell?
Maybe though, there is just a little bit more than we all thought. I can't wait either way.
I would love to see what Big boss was doing between 3 and 4.
He doesnt look as old as he did in 4 so maybe David Hayter could voice him.
We will have to wait another 100 hours for the next update.
Havok_Jro
05-27-2009, 07:47 AM
Well We've got P,S,3 and R
Then we've got the pic of Big Boss
Hmm, either way, the letters are showing PS3... Which is good for them
I would love to see what Big boss was doing between 3 and 4.
He doesnt look as old as he did in 4 so maybe David Hayter could voice him.
We will have to wait another 100 hours for the next update.
More like between MPO and MGS4. Would be cool to exactly how he managed to build Outer Heaven.
Jaytow
05-27-2009, 07:56 AM
More like between MPO and MGS4. Would be cool to exactly how he managed to build Outer Heaven.
Yeah I forgot Portable Ops.
I know that big boss was in some of the early metal gear games, maybe it will be a remake of one of them from big bosses side?
Oh and I didnt spot the PS3 thing but the 3 could also be E3 and therefore not be related to the P and the S.
Patrucci
05-27-2009, 08:59 AM
Someone needs to take screenshots of the letters and such, I haven't seen BB yet.
Acid Rain?
Edit, I've seen the BB one, I screenied it.
Pretty interesting, can't wait to see what shows up from this
Patrucci
05-27-2009, 09:10 AM
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/701/ake.png
I'm guessing it will most definetly be a PS3 release.
Jaytow
05-27-2009, 09:20 AM
A censored interview with Kojima.
http://kotaku.com/5271124/can-you-decipher-kojimas-famitsu-interview
Patrucci
05-27-2009, 09:28 AM
Damn, that is annoying to read.
Few interesting things...
- I noticed a picture of either Raiden or Gray Fox, but "not finished" in that picture. This does not make any sense. Big Boss was way older when Gray Fox or Raiden became a cyborg.
- The emblem on Big Boss's baret. It's a world map. This could be an indication of Big Boss's vision of a united world for soldiers, by soldiers. Big Boss is still kind of young, but when you look at his beard, it seems like there are a few grey/lighter hairs here and there.
So, I reckon it'll either be somewhere between MPO and Metal Gear, a remake of Metal Gear or, and I hope not, an alternate timeline.
EDIT: look what I've found out...
I zoomed in on the logo on Big Boss's baret.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6141/bigbossn.png
It says: "Militaires sans frontières", which is French for "Soldiers without borders".
Outer Heaven?
Also, look how the world map looks like a skull... If it is a map, because frankly, I can't recognise any country in it.
Maybe MGS4 for 360?
lol
Don't forget the new Wii version.
Patrucci
05-27-2009, 11:28 AM
Few interesting things...
- I noticed a picture of either Raiden or Gray Fox, but "not finished" in that picture. This does not make any sense. Big Boss was way older when Gray Fox or Raiden became a cyborg.
- The emblem on Big Boss's baret. It's a world map. This could be an indication of Big Boss's vision of a united world for soldiers, by soldiers. Big Boss is still kind of young, but when you look at his beard, it seems like there are a few grey/lighter hairs here and there.
So, I reckon it'll either be somewhere between MPO and Metal Gear, a remake of Metal Gear or, and I hope not, an alternate timeline.
EDIT: look what I've found out...
I zoomed in on the logo on Big Boss's baret.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6141/bigbossn.png
It says: "Militaires sans frontières", which is French for "Soldiers without borders".
Outer Heaven?
Also, look how the world map looks like a skull... If it is a map, because frankly, I can't recognise any country in it.
Yeah, the french could possibly mean a France setting? Montreal even :P
But Kojima stated that "it might not be Big Boss", or something along those lines.
Who knows really, I guess we'll have to wait.
Yeah, the french could possibly mean a France setting? Montreal even :P
But Kojima stated that "it might not be Big Boss", or something along those lines.
Who knows really, I guess we'll have to wait.
But if it isn't Big Boss, then who is it? I guess you're right, we'll hve to wait.
I'm just excited there's going to be a new game.
Patrucci
05-27-2009, 11:41 AM
Yeah so am I.
And I'm glad Kojima and the rest of the MGS4 team are producing it.
TwistedArachnid
05-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Liquid! Before MGS! He did love speaking in France, like saying who the Les Enfant Terrible was (or however it was pronounced) and he does look exactly like SOlid and Big Boss and Solidus. But I'm probably wrong.
Patrucci
05-27-2009, 01:43 PM
That's a good theory mate, plus the rain is liquid?
Actually, I thought about that, but that's not really a possibility. Liquid had dark hair (and I know he could've dyed it), doesn't seem like someone who'd grow a beard, wear a green baret and an eye patch just so he'd look like Big Boss.
No, I don't think it's Liquid, nor is it Solid or Solidus Snake. I could be wrong, but we'll see when the timer has run out.
Piggus
05-27-2009, 04:00 PM
The map in the skull is Pangaea for those wondering.
And that's got to be Big Boss tbh. Don't listen to Kojima. :P
Jaytow
05-27-2009, 04:21 PM
Liquid! Before MGS! He did love speaking in France, like saying who the Les Enfant Terrible was (or however it was pronounced) and he does look exactly like SOlid and Big Boss and Solidus. But I'm probably wrong.
It's a great idea but I really doubt it'll be so.
I hope they take their time with this (as they have with the others anyone who waited for mgs 4 will know Kojima does do!) and not just make it mgs 4 part 2.
Japisee
05-28-2009, 03:12 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/2l8yu82.jpg
OH SHI-
Patrucci
05-28-2009, 03:15 PM
That would be mega cool.
TwistedArachnid
05-28-2009, 03:28 PM
I dunno though. Otacon was always so...timid and stuff around violence. I mean seeing him become an uber killing machine would be weird. Although that does look a LOT like him when I see that comparison.
Patrucci
05-28-2009, 03:31 PM
Otacon would probably pretty screwed up, after everything you know.
:P
I just can't wait to see what happens.
Edit:
on the censored interview, notice the Raiden fella, I don't think it's Raiden.
Raiden doesn't have brown eyes, he has blue I believe..
Sunny had brown eyes, and she also had a similar hair color.
Who knows?
TwistedArachnid
05-28-2009, 10:11 PM
Yep, for all we know it could be another clone or Solidus in the younger years. Although I'd rather have a Big Boss game. I remember when MGO and MGS3 came out someone asked if there could be more Big Boss stories and Ryan Payton said that Kojima had a few more (or maybe Kojima himself said it...)
It seems like the storm is getting worse. (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html) There's a strong sidewind. I also noticed that Raiden looking guy, the letter C and the number 6
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4180/mg6.png
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2476/mgc.png
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8596/mgraiden.png
The Raiden looking guy actually looks more like a girl to me. I know Rainden wasn't all that masculine in the first place, but still. His/her face is pretty thin, it looks as though he/she peeled his/her eyebrows, his/her eyes look feminine. And I wonder why he/she has two bolts on her forehead and something that looks like bar code.
And about Otacon. It's plausible, seeing how Kojima said it was NOT Big Boss. Still hope it IS Big Boss, though. He certainly looks like Big Boss, but we all knew that already.
And I can't really see Otacon as a bad ass action kind of guy. He's too diplomatic. But then again, it's what we would least expect, so that makes it plausible.
Jaytow
05-29-2009, 07:35 AM
I agree, the Raiden looking image is probabily female.
E3 FTW. Can't wait for Kojimas speech.
Link - "MASK" Teaser Image #1 : http://metalgearsolid.org/images/stories/useruploa ds/kp_mask01.jpg
Link - "MASK" Teaser Image #2 : http://metalgearsolid.org/images/stories/useruploa ds/kp_mask02.jpg
Link - "MASK" Teaser Music @ MegaUpload : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2UGPCPM5
Link - Kojima Productions "NEXT" Website : http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/
Link - Kojima Productions "MASK" Website : http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/mask/
The Shy Child.
05-29-2009, 08:13 AM
Whats up with the mask. What is it supposed to do.
Jaytow
05-29-2009, 08:44 AM
Whats up with the mask. What is it supposed to do.
I have no idea, it's just another teaser site but I have an idea that if you put in a certain D.O.B when asked then something may come up.
I have no idea, it's just another teaser site but I have an idea that if you put in a certain D.O.B when asked then something may come up.
Might be possible. There's no explicit content on the page or anything, so there's no reason why they'd put one of those DOB things on there.
I wonder if that mask has anything to do with the new Metal Gear or whether it's a second game Kojima is working on.
Patrucci
05-29-2009, 01:14 PM
It's not Raiden ...
Raiden doesn't have brown eyes, he has blue.
Plus, DOB thing is confusing.
It's not Raiden ...
Raiden doesn't have brown eyes, he has blue.
Plus, DOB thing is confusing.
Sure is. Does anyone have any clue, at all, what the letters and numbers could mean?
So far, I've seen: e, E, 3, P, S/5, R, C and 6
By the way: I took a picture of that guy that resembles Big Boss and made a sig of it. Took me a lot of time to get the numbers from the countdown away and it's not completely finished yet, but I'm pleased.
This is what it looked like with the counter:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6404/minibigboss. jpg
Patrucci
05-29-2009, 01:25 PM
Thats cool looking, I tried it, but I get fed up on it.
Thomas B.
05-29-2009, 01:56 PM
I'm so confused by the whole Metal Gear series, and I've played every one!:confused: I need to download the MGS Database from PSN.
Ash_735
05-29-2009, 02:01 PM
I'm so confused by the whole Metal Gear series, and I've played every one!:confused: I need to download the MGS Database from PSN.
Me and a mate are total hardcore fans of the series, if you're confused by the games you'd be utter lost in our convos as we really get into the small details, it's quite sad :P
Me and a mate are total hardcore fans of the series, if you're confused by the games you'd be utter lost in our convos as we really get into the small details, it's quite sad :P
Same here, mate. I still wonder who the real EVA was... He's never mentioned.
And Max Payne 2k8, you should do like I do twice a year: play them all in chronological order in about a week time.
Thomas B.
05-30-2009, 02:41 AM
I thought Eva was that biker girl in MGS 3.
Johnny-Z
05-30-2009, 03:27 AM
I thought Eva was that biker girl in MGS 3.
She was ;).
If this news is to be true it would be interesting which direction the series is going to go, hopefully more information will surface on this soon.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 05:28 AM
No, Big Mama wasnt actually EVA (to the best of my knowledge) and what he meant is that the EVA we know was a spy.
I could be wrong.
Oh and here is an interesting article from gamespot on the "mask" page:
http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6210536/new-kojima-konami-teaser-reveals-mask
tactical Espionage action
e, E, 3, P, S/5, R, C and 6
covers everything except 3 R and 6 ;[
Although the 3 could be part of E3
No, Big Mama wasnt actually EVA (to the best of my knowledge) and what he meant is that the EVA we know was a spy.
I could be wrong.
Oh and here is an interesting article from gamespot on the "mask" page:
http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6210536/new-kojima-konami-teaser-reveals-mask
tactical Espionage action
e, E, 3, P, S/5, R, C and 6
covers everything except 3 R and 6 ;[
Although the 3 could be part of E3
Interesting, thank you.
About EVA: you should watch the ending of MGS3, where EVA leaves an audio message to Big Boss. She tells him she wasn't the real EVA. The two Americans who defected were actually both men. We know Ocelot is ADAM, but we don't know who the real EVA was.
Patrucci
05-30-2009, 08:00 AM
Interesting stuff, I just can't wait to see what unfolds.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 08:18 AM
Interesting, thank you.
About EVA: you should watch the ending of MGS3, where EVA leaves an audio message to Big Boss. She tells him she wasn't the real EVA. The two Americans who defected were actually both men. We know Ocelot is ADAM, but we don't know who the real EVA was.
Yeah that's what I thought.
Just a few days until E3.
Pro-tip:
If the main character isn't named Snake it will suck like MGS2
Pro-tip:
If the main character isn't named Snake it will suck like MGS2
I think we can't say that unless we have played it.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 12:07 PM
I think we can't say that unless we have played it.
I personally love mgs2 and could not agree with you any more than I do.
Patrucci
05-30-2009, 12:22 PM
The PSP Go, has already had a MGS game confirmed.
Maybe this will be it?
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 01:06 PM
The PSP Go, has already had a MGS game confirmed.
Maybe this will be it?
Yep, maybe so.
One question: Is this like the DS lite or is it a new console?
Patrucci
05-30-2009, 01:08 PM
I'm not sure really, i'm guessing it is a new console.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 01:09 PM
I'm not sure really, i'm guessing it is a new console.
To be honest if this thing can handle a fully working MGS with 100% voices (unlike portable ops) then I'll be over the moon.
Patrucci
05-30-2009, 01:11 PM
I wont.
I'd rather another PS3 exclusive, I don't want to be spending more money on this.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 01:12 PM
I wont.
I'd rather another PS3 exclusive, I don't want to be spending more money on this.
One thing I don't understand is this.. Sony are doing so poorly with the PS3. Why would they not WANT to release the next metal gear on it instead??
It would boost sales obviously.
Patrucci
05-30-2009, 01:16 PM
Yeah, they are probably thinking stupid.
If it is for the PSP, they would be thinking that if we make multiple categories of gaming, we might get more sales.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 01:19 PM
Yeah, they are probably thinking stupid.
If it is for the PSP, they would be thinking that if we make multiple categories of gaming, we might get more sales.
Hmm, well there are two images on the site.
Wouldnt it be great if the psp had the Raiden type character in an action sword fighting type game and the PS3 had the big boss type character in a stealth game? So that you could see the same story from different perspectives.
Patrucci
05-30-2009, 01:20 PM
^ Yeah, that would be good actually.
I'd buy both, if it was a situation like that.
Releasing a title like this on a handheld is a big waste of potential.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 02:32 PM
Hideo Kojima is always excited to create games for new exciting technology. He said that PS3 lied to third party developers about what it was going to be capable of (this is not a PS3 bash) so maybe they over hyped this console and he went all out to create a game for this. Or maybe he simply seen how good the console was and felt compelled to create a new game for it.
Or maybe Kojima isnt creating the game at all.
Anyway to announcement convinced me to dust down my old PSP and start playing portable ops. Yahh...
I think the console is capable enough, but i heard the problem was that the console was hard to develop for compared to a 360/PC release.
Might not be correct on this one, that's what i remember looking at during the days of pre MGS4
Ash_735
05-30-2009, 02:38 PM
Have you guys forgot Portable Ops? I said this in the other thread, Portable Ops is cannon to the back story of Big Boss, I enjoyed it even if it did feel lacking in the codec department, but that was also down to the setting and being cut off.
Jaytow
05-30-2009, 02:39 PM
I think the console is capable enough, but i heard the problem was that the console was hard to develop for compared to a 360/PC release.
Might not be correct on this one, that's what i remember looking at during the days of pre MGS4
Maybe you're right, what I heard was that he couldnt do what he wanted to with the console but who knows?
As long as it is a fully voiced MGS I will be happy enough.
I agree ash portable ops did a really good job with the metal gear series. The only thing I didnt like was the fact that (as you said) it was lacking in the codec appartment.
Patrucci
05-30-2009, 02:43 PM
Yeah Ash, I have Portable Ops. It was a great game, but it felt a litte repetitive to me.
Has anymore news slipped about
http://media.1up.com/media?id=3614030&type=lg?
Yeah Ash, I have Portable Ops. It was a great game, but it felt a litte repetitive to me.
Has anymore news slipped about
http://media.1up.com/media?id=3614030&type=lg?
Hmm... I've heard about that a while back. Anyway, we'll (probably) know in a little more than a day.
About Portable Ops. I still haven't finished that one. I know the whole story, but I've just been so busy lately I haven't been able to complete it.
the punisher
05-31-2009, 05:39 PM
It could be two games, a PS3 one and a Portable Ops 2.
Pignoah
05-31-2009, 07:44 PM
Hideo made MGS3, which rules, and I commend him for that .And I played through MGS4 and liked parts of the story(chapter 3 mainly), but some parts of the script were dire. If he just got some good script writers, he'd be untouchable.
I can admire what Hideo is doing but at the end of the day he has to decide whether he is making a film, or a game. I don't mind watching cutscenes, if it's good, if it flows, and if it doesn't feel contrived. And Metal Gear Solid reeks of this.
Besides that MGS1 & 3 are awesome games that everyone should play.
Jaytow
06-01-2009, 04:55 AM
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html
The storm stopped. 12 hours.
Also it just says 8.
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html
The storm stopped. 12 hours.
Also it just says 8.
I was just about to say that. I took a screenshot of it.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8971/schermafdruk .png
EDIT; I was just thinking... What could that 8 mean? Perhaps it indicates the eighth game in the series?
1: Metal Gear
2: Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
3: Metal Gear Solid
4: Metal Gear Solid 2
5: Metal Gear Solid 3
6: Metal Gear Portable Ops
7: Metal Gear Solid 4
8: New Metal Gear?
JRussell89
06-01-2009, 05:15 AM
The countdown has started again......
Nediar
06-01-2009, 07:58 AM
That 8 is a lie.
It's obviously saying there is a MGS coming out for the DS.
But srsly, if this does turn out for the psp, i'll shit bricks.
And not in a good way.
Patrucci
06-01-2009, 01:31 PM
The mask in the corner, not sure if you guys seen it.
But when you click it, it brings you to the Saw game.
Edit: The mask just turned into the Kojima logo.
Jaytow
06-01-2009, 02:21 PM
Metal Gear Solid: Rising announced at the E3 confrence.
I guessed they would have a game for consoles and one for PSP, yahh I is da man.
Its actually Metal Gear: Rising, launching on the 360.
Kojima knows he'll sell 10 times more on 360 than what he sold on the PS3 with MGS4
WHAT!? Ah, come on! This can't be happening. Is it exclusive?
Patrucci
06-01-2009, 05:17 PM
Not sure yet, but fuck.
His eyes, in MGS4, Raiden had blue-ish grey eyes.
Not fucking brown.
Jaytow
06-01-2009, 05:18 PM
WHAT!? Ah, come on! This can't be happening. Is it exclusive?
I'm not sure if it is exclusive. I doubt it though and Kojima will explain the eye thing in time.
Sam B.
06-01-2009, 05:19 PM
on the information on the game on ign it says its exclusive to 360
TwistedArachnid
06-01-2009, 05:22 PM
I figure if it is exclusive, it'll be to make up for MGS4 not coming to it. Or like DY said, the 360 has a bigger user base and he can milk it to it's full potential and use it's strengths and stuff. Or something. Although from what I've seen, MS seems to be raking in a lot of exclusive or time exclusive stuff...
Skillet
06-01-2009, 05:23 PM
Not sure yet, but fuck.
His eyes, in MGS4, Raiden had blue-ish grey eyes.
Not fucking brown.
It could be a ret-conned Raiden or it could be someone like Grey Fox. Who knows.
Jaytow
06-01-2009, 05:23 PM
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/e3_2009/en/
The website has totally changed.
Patrucci
06-01-2009, 05:27 PM
Where was the PSP confirmation?
Jaytow
06-01-2009, 05:30 PM
Where was the PSP confirmation?
In a leaked video about the new PSP.
Also if you go to the new website there is a word in the back that says something not too disimilar to Subsistance.. Not quite sure what it actually says.
Patrucci
06-01-2009, 05:31 PM
Link to the video?
Plus the site isn't loading for me.
5tatic
06-01-2009, 05:37 PM
"You know, we didn't say that it was exclusive," clarified Xbox executive and corporate VP John Schappert (he was the guy hosting most of the event) during an interview with me immediately following the press conference.
"We said that the next Metal Gear will be coming [to Xbox 360]," he said.
"I couldn't be more excited about him [Kojima] working on that [Metal Gear Solid Rising] and having that be part of our show," said Schappert. "When I heard about that, I was pretty ecstatic and it was an honor to be able to be on stage with him and announcing his next Metal Gear, which will be on Xbox 360."
most likely NOT exclusive
Patrucci
06-01-2009, 05:40 PM
Good, I hope not tbh.
I was actually getting ready to buy a 360, not just for this release, but If it isn't an exclusive, it can wait.
zeeshan810
06-01-2009, 06:40 PM
MGS is coming to Xbox360 afterall!
http://www.gamer.nl/images/content/TempletonPeck/2 00906/1243885846_0_4.jpg
Ash_735
06-01-2009, 06:59 PM
MGS is coming to Xbox360 afterall!
http://www.gamer.nl/images/content/TempletonPeck/2 00906/1243885846_0_4.jpg
...you're a couple of hours late :P
Patrucci
06-01-2009, 07:15 PM
Haha. I was thinking the same.
zeeshan810
06-01-2009, 08:28 PM
...you're a couple of hours late :P
yeah..I know I watched it long time ago. I missed posting. :)
the punisher
06-01-2009, 08:50 PM
Kojima knows he'll sell 10 times more on 360 than what he sold on the PS3 with MGS4
I really, REALLY doubt that. Most of the MGS fanbase already have a PS3 and bought the game, with a staggering 4.5M sales.
JRussell89
06-01-2009, 10:51 PM
"Lightning Bolt Action" and not "Tactical Espionage Action" ? What's up with that?:confused:
If that means a drastic change to how the game plays /evolves then it must be a different version or story thread. I'm only guessing of course.
It is cool to see that so many GTA fans are also MGS fans as well.:)
the punisher
06-02-2009, 05:31 AM
It's most likely a spin-off where you play as Raiden doing some of his crazy ballet fighting. Too soon to develop the real MGS5.
5tatic
06-02-2009, 05:52 AM
are you surprised? 360/PC won't ever get a proper MGS game.
and yes, it's on ps3/360/pc
http://xs140.xs.to/xs140/09232/s817.jpg (http://xs.to)
Skeptical on this, however I'm hoping it ties some loose ends
MGS and MGS4 still remain the greatest games I've ever played
Skeptical on this, however I'm hoping it ties some loose ends
MGS and MGS4 still remain the greatest games I've ever played
I agree, but I would add MGS3 too.
I have a couple of remarks. Don't get me wrong, though, I am a huge fan, but it kind of bothers me now.
I'm not very fond of a Raiden based Metal Gear. I think the title is completely wrong. Metal Gear Solid: Rising? First of, Solid Snake isn't in it, like Kojima said, so why not call it Metal Gear Rising? In fact, why not choose a more original name. Whenever a game or movie (with the exception of Dead Rising) has the words Rising, Ressurection, ... in it, I immediately think the creators have lost all creativity and are just trying to get as much money out of their creations as possible. A bit like what happened with Mario and Sonic or what George Lucas is doing with Star Wars and Indiana Jones.
I know it's still too early too call it rubbish, but still... Sometimes, no matter how hard it is, a franchise should just end. Quit while you're at the top, before you ruin it.
The Shy Child.
06-02-2009, 11:22 AM
I have wondered why they are calling it Metal Gear Solid. Solid Snake is dead and I am not talking metaphorically, I am talking physically. He is six feet under and he will stay there. There is no changing it now. All there is to do is expand from what was left over from Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots. I get why people would want the last game to be MGS4, they don't want to see such a brilliant series of games tarnished and being called a failure for stretch as much as possible. Then again why would you quit at the top.
MGS2 was to be the very last Metal Gear, it was tie the knots between the first. Then they decided that it needed more and they made MGS3. It was to to be the last one, but fans wanted more, so MGS4 came about. The fans liked it so much that they wanted more.
Konami make MGS5, It won't feature Solid Snake as he is dead and I want it to be set ten years after the events of MGS4, that way Sunny has grown up and Meryl & Johnny have kids. Otacon has a GF and then somehow terrorists kidnap her for ransom, they want Solid Snakes real body. They say they have the tech to bring him back to life and use him as a WMD and control him at their own will. If they don't hand over snakes body then she dies. So Otacon (being madly in love with her) tell them where snakes real body is buried, he hets her back and they have Solid Snakes Body (which has been in cryogenicly frozen) so he won't age unless he is unfrozen). The terrorists take his body and awake him and imprison him. Meanwhile Otacon goes to old freinds, Meryl, Johnny, Drebin, Sunny who is now a technology expert and hacker for the US goverment. They also get help from Mae Ling. They all team together to stop the terrorists from using Snake as WMD and get him back. They get Snake back to find the terrorists had the tech to reverse the ageing process and they also removed Foxdie from his body to use it for their own. So now with Snakes help they destroy foxdie once and for all, snake has his youth back and everybody is happy.
That story would enable them to bring Solid Snake back if they wanted.
My point exactly, The Shy Child. To be honest, I don't think that's a very good story. It sounds more like something fan made. It's like they reused parts of MGS4.
Then again why would you quit at the top.
Because that way, you keep the value of your franchise. I'm sorry, but everywhere I look, on other fora, at school and so on, a lot of people think this is going to be ruined.
I hope Kojima proves us wrong, though. If this turns out to be any original, provides us with a decent story or just takes a different direction, but is still a very good game I'd be happy.
the punisher
06-02-2009, 11:48 AM
I have wondered why they are calling it Metal Gear Solid. Solid Snake is dead and I am not talking metaphorically, I am talking physically. He is six feet under and he will stay there. There is no changing it now. All there is to do is expand from what was left over from Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots. I get why people would want the last game to be MGS4, they don't want to see such a brilliant series of games tarnished and being called a failure for stretch as much as possible. Then again why would you quit at the top.
MGS2 was to be the very last Metal Gear, it was tie the knots between the first. Then they decided that it needed more and they made MGS3. It was to to be the last one, but fans wanted more, so MGS4 came about. The fans liked it so much that they wanted more.
Konami make MGS5, It won't feature Solid Snake as he is dead and I want it to be set ten years after the events of MGS4, that way Sunny has grown up and Meryl & Johnny have kids. Otacon has a GF and then somehow terrorists kidnap her for ransom, they want Solid Snakes real body. They say they have the tech to bring him back to life and use him as a WMD and control him at their own will. If they don't hand over snakes body then she dies. So Otacon (being madly in love with her) tell them where snakes real body is buried, he hets her back and they have Solid Snakes Body (which has been in cryogenicly frozen) so he won't age unless he is unfrozen). The terrorists take his body and awake him and imprison him. Meanwhile Otacon goes to old freinds, Meryl, Johnny, Drebin, Sunny who is now a technology expert and hacker for the US goverment. They also get help from Mae Ling. They all team together to stop the terrorists from using Snake as WMD and get him back. They get Snake back to find the terrorists had the tech to reverse the ageing process and they also removed Foxdie from his body to use it for their own. So now with Snakes help they destroy foxdie once and for all, snake has his youth back and everybody is happy.
That story would enable them to bring Solid Snake back if they wanted.
You turned the console off right after the credits rolled up, didn't you?
Jaytow
06-03-2009, 05:12 AM
I have wondered why they are calling it Metal Gear Solid. Solid Snake is dead and I am not talking metaphorically, I am talking physically. He is six feet under and he will stay there. There is no changing it now. All there is to do is expand from what was left over from Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots. I get why people would want the last game to be MGS4, they don't want to see such a brilliant series of games tarnished and being called a failure for stretch as much as possible. Then again why would you quit at the top.
MGS2 was to be the very last Metal Gear, it was tie the knots between the first. Then they decided that it needed more and they made MGS3. It was to to be the last one, but fans wanted more, so MGS4 came about. The fans liked it so much that they wanted more.
Konami make MGS5, It won't feature Solid Snake as he is dead and I want it to be set ten years after the events of MGS4, that way Sunny has grown up and Meryl & Johnny have kids. Otacon has a GF and then somehow terrorists kidnap her for ransom, they want Solid Snakes real body. They say they have the tech to bring him back to life and use him as a WMD and control him at their own will. If they don't hand over snakes body then she dies. So Otacon (being madly in love with her) tell them where snakes real body is buried, he hets her back and they have Solid Snakes Body (which has been in cryogenicly frozen) so he won't age unless he is unfrozen). The terrorists take his body and awake him and imprison him. Meanwhile Otacon goes to old freinds, Meryl, Johnny, Drebin, Sunny who is now a technology expert and hacker for the US goverment. They also get help from Mae Ling. They all team together to stop the terrorists from using Snake as WMD and get him back. They get Snake back to find the terrorists had the tech to reverse the ageing process and they also removed Foxdie from his body to use it for their own. So now with Snakes help they destroy foxdie once and for all, snake has his youth back and everybody is happy.
That story would enable them to bring Solid Snake back if they wanted.
Because the Solid in metal gear solid means 3D not solid snake. Solid snake was in earlier 2d Mg games but they wernt called metal gear solidl. Not until PS1... i think
The main reason I'm more excited for the 360 releases is because most are coming to the PC too.
Jaytow
06-03-2009, 08:52 AM
One thing I don't like about MGS going to 360 is the audience it will bring. 14 Year old COD players who think they can game (my step brother in other words) but I am still excited as can be for the game, well both of them actually.
JRussell89
06-03-2009, 10:28 AM
Because the Solid in metal gear solid means 3D not solid snake. Solid snake was in earlier 2d Mg games but they wernt called metal gear solidl. Not until PS1... i think
J, the whole "Solid" thing was to re-introduce the series to PSOne users and to emphasize the story based experience of the game which revolved around Solid Snake.:peace:
J, the whole "Solid" thing was to re-introduce the series to PSOne users and to emphasize the story based experience of the game which revolved around Solid Snake.:peace:
And since MGS:Rising isn't about Solid Snake any more, it shouldn't be called Metal Gear Solid any more.
The Shy Child.
06-03-2009, 12:34 PM
I would like snake to come back but at this point, its too predictable. Solid Snake is a gaming icon, like pacman, mario, crash bandicoot, lara croft. I don't think there has been a death of such a big gaming icon. Look at pacman for instance. He is not dead, its just nobody wants to make a pacman game right now. Crash Bandicoot is another example. He is not dead, naughty dog are just focusing on other projects right now and they will go back to him later on. In their universe, they are all still alive except snake. Its weird. Its playing all the Tomb Raider games and then in last one Lara Croft dies and they make another Tomb Raider with someone she happened to team up with along the way. It wouldn't feel right. It wouldn't be Tomb Raider without Lara Croft. Its the exact same with Metal Gear. Metal Gear: Rising sounds better than Metal Gear Solid: Rising.
Solid should only appear in the title if it involves snake. Simple as that. Do we know if Rising is set after MGS4. If it isn't then snake could appear as a non-playable character, kinda like in MGS2.
It won't be after MGS4,
Raiden had his body somewhat 'normalised' iirc when he met his son... as he had no arms when we saw him before then. I think this will probably fill in the blanks as to how he became a cyborg and what he did after he 'disappeared', been a good few months since I played any MGS title so I could have parts wrong.
Jaytow
06-03-2009, 12:56 PM
J, the whole "Solid" thing was to re-introduce the series to PSOne users and to emphasize the story based experience of the game which revolved around Solid Snake.:peace:
I was always lead to believe that it was because it was 3d.
I couldnt find anything about why it was renamed on the internet.
Ash_735
06-03-2009, 01:11 PM
Personally, I still want to see remakes of Metal Gear 1 and 2 since really no one outside of Japan got official versions of those games unless you count the Roms on the MGS3 Subsistance disc.
Jaytow
06-03-2009, 01:13 PM
Personally, I still want to see remakes of Metal Gear 1 and 2 since really no one outside of Japan got official versions of those games unless you count the Roms on the MGS3 Subsistance disc.
Which is stupidly rare in the United Kingdom.
£60-£100 Pre-owned.
Personally, I still want to see remakes of Metal Gear 1 and 2 since really no one outside of Japan got official versions of those games unless you count the Roms on the MGS3 Subsistance disc.
Precisely. I think it would be great. It would be awesome to see those two games with voice acting, third person view (rather than over head) and improved graphics. Sure, it'd be a remake, but I think Metal Gear fans (like you and I) would enjoy it.
EDIT: Jaytow. Those are prices for the cartridges, not including an MSX or MSX2 console. You could buy the NES versions, as they are cheaper, but they aren't they same as the original.
Jaytow
06-03-2009, 01:26 PM
Precisely. I think it would be great. It would be awesome to see those two games with voice acting, third person view (rather than over head) and improved graphics. Sure, it'd be a remake, but I think Metal Gear fans (like you and I) would enjoy it.
EDIT: Jaytow. Those are prices for the cartridges, not including an MSX or MSX2 console. You could buy the NES versions, as they are cheaper, but they aren't they same as the original.
Sorry I didnt make myself clear. I meant subsistance.
Sorry I didnt make myself clear. I meant subsistance.
That much? I have Subsistance and I only paid about €40. That's £35 or something. Guess I had luck.
Jaytow
06-03-2009, 01:35 PM
That much? I have Subsistance and I only paid about €40. That's £35 or something. Guess I had luck.
Yeah, I guess they didnt sell many in the U.K and it became rare or something.
By the way guys:
http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6210520/konami-e3-2009-press-conference-liveblog-starts-3-pm-pdt
That's great and all, but that's 1 A.M. over here. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see the results.
Jaytow
06-04-2009, 08:43 AM
Metal gear arcade announced. Nothing much else. Maybe only Japanese release.
JRussell89
06-04-2009, 11:09 AM
And since MGS:Rising isn't about Solid Snake any more, it shouldn't be called Metal Gear Solid any more.
Indeed so sir! I'm just not really stoked about this title for 360.
Skeptical on this, however I'm hoping it ties some loose ends
....I wasn't aware there were any stones left unturned in MGS4.:)
Pignoah
06-04-2009, 01:35 PM
http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696178/E3-2009-Konami-Press-Conference-Kojima-Announces-New-Castlevania-Game.html?utm_source=g4tv&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=TheFeed
Turns out the clockdown mgs site was a ruse.
I'm happy to see MGS:R isn't an Xbox360 exclusive. I'm not a Castlevania fan and the trailer did not excite me either, so I guess I won't buy that.
http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696178/E3-2009-Konami-Press-Conference-Kojima-Announces-New-Castlevania-Game.html?utm_source=g4tv&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=TheFeed
Turns out the clockdown mgs site was a ruse.
Well, not really. Basically, there was a teaser site with a countdown and a site just featuring a mask. Frankly, I saw no obvious connection between a new MGS and a ghostly mask. I don't know about you guys, but I figured they were two different things.
Pignoah
06-04-2009, 03:22 PM
Why have two unrelated things on a site like that if it's not a publicity stunt?
JRussell89
06-04-2009, 05:16 PM
I sicerely hope these new games don't ruin the series. Well, maybe not ruin but take away some of what has made the series so special to me. Personally, I thought MGS4 wrapped up everything nicely and there was nothing left to say concerning Snake and all that occurred in his universe. These latest titles just seem like unnecessary exposition by Mr. Kojima and staff.
zeeshan810
06-04-2009, 05:41 PM
I sicerely hope these new games don't ruin the series. Well, maybe not ruin but take away some of what has made the series so special to me. Personally, I thought MGS4 wrapped up everything nicely and there was nothing left to say concerning Snake and all that occurred in his universe. These latest titles just seem like unnecessary exposition by Mr. Kojima and staff.
Friend, MGS Rising is not connected to MGS 4. :)
Ash_735
06-04-2009, 06:12 PM
Friend, MGS Rising is not connected to MGS 4. :)
You do realise each MGS game in connected via the story in a nice a seamless possible way? The ending of MGS4 shown clips from all released MGS games at that point that involved plans of The Patriots.
Anyway, Raidan could be done, there was a huge blank spot where Raidan went missing after MGS2 and came back in MGS4 where he revealed he was working with Big Mama (Recently) off the radar to try and find Big Boss's body. since Raidan went missing a few months after MGS2 and it was off the radar of The Patriot, then that covers a nice 4 and half years blackout, which includes Raidan meeting, working for Big Mama, getting involved in this, keeping out of view of The Patriots system, destroying his OWN body and getting it replaced with the robotic suit, etc.
As for Big Boss, after he left the Patriots, all we know is that he too kept out of sight from The then Patriots and started up Outer Heaven. Still some mystery to that as it was hinted in MGS PO.
So in a nutshell, there are various points in the story where Characters went off the Radar from The Patriots, hell they could even do an EVA game!
Patrucci
06-04-2009, 06:20 PM
Thing is, about the MGS series, is that you cannot jump in late. Either you play the titles, read the WHOLE story, which would probably be impossible, :P, or this isn't for you.
Metal Gear Solid, is would be like, you're favorite soap opera, you cannot miss an episode, or game.
Jaytow
06-04-2009, 06:51 PM
Maybe rising would give new players a chance to start the "new metal gear" and not get lost within the story.
I myself have only been playing since MGS 1 on ps1 so maybe it'll be like the nes to ps1 revamp, I just hope they don't COD it up as every game seems to be doing atm. Even Resident Evil has been westernised to the extreme.
I totally agree, it is very hard for anyone who hasnt been with us for a long time to get into metal gear now.
By the way people the original Metal Gear Solid (PS1) is being released on PSN so I guess this relates to the current topic, maybe this will help people get into the origins of the solid series.
TwistedArachnid
06-04-2009, 10:14 PM
It's also going to be possible to get into the MGS saga as MGS was announced to be released on PSN in June. I'll definately get it since I'd like to get my old games in digital form to unclutter my room a bit.
ANyway, I figure these games will be fine. There's a huge gap between Big Boss' life and MGS. So those stories really can't kill MGS. And rising should be good too because Raiden was a badass in 4 and has his own life. So none of them will probably involve Snake on a huge level.
....I wasn't aware there were any stones left unturned in MGS4.:)
I meant things like what Raiden did when he went away, who the real EVA was... I still have a lot of questions :P
Basicly, there are seemly endless possibilities for a new MGS game.
What happened to Raiden, which will probably be explained in Rising. (Hell, I wonder what made him grow up. He went from wuss to nearly the awesomeness of Gray Fox.)
The rise of Outer Heaven.
What happened to EVA between MGS3 and MPO.
Games regarding Ocelot.
Remakes of MG and MG2:SS.
And so on and so on...
JRussell89
06-13-2009, 05:33 AM
There is one thing that ties all the games together and it is illustrated in the third word of the title, Solid! As in Solid Snake. The series was told in relevance in how it played out for and affected Solid Snake. I don't see how the exploits prior to Outer Heaven enhance the Solid Snake angle. As for Raiden, the years between MGS2 and MGS4 don't really represent an important or relevant timline to contribute to the saga of Solid Snake. As long as Mr. Kojima is involved I do remain hopeful.:peace:
Jaytow
06-13-2009, 05:45 AM
There is one thing that ties all the games together and it is illustrated in the third word of the title, Solid! As in Solid Snake. The series was told in relevance in how it played out for and affected Solid Snake. I don't see how the exploits prior to Outer Heaven enhance the Solid Snake angle. As for Raiden, the years between MGS2 and MGS4 don't really represent an important or relevant timline to contribute to the saga of Solid Snake. As long as Mr. Kojima is involved I do remain hopeful. [/Kojima retitled the game Metal Gear Solid, choosing this over the working title Metal Gear 3. This was due to the fact that he believed that the first two MSX2 games in the series were not very well known.[42] He used the word 'Solid' which was chosen due to the game being the third installment in the series, and because it uses 3D computer graphics.[43] Sequels to this game also use the Metal Gear Solid title, and follow a new numeral progression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid#Orig inal_version
nono, you got it all wrong mate.
If it was all about Solid Snake I don't think he would have called MGS 2 and 3 Metal gear solid (not to mention rising and PO). I think the MGS series has a lot of potential but I think that the 2 games where you play as Big Boss (3 and PO) are by far the worst metal gear games so I hope peace walker turns out better. As for rising I couldnt be more excited and yeah Wiki is hardly the most reliable source but I always assumed everyone knew this.
I beg to differ. Metal Gear Solid 3, in my opinion anyway, is the best one in the series.
Even though "Solid" might refer to the fact that's it's in 3D (which actually doesn't make any sense), everyone associates it with Solid Snake.
Jaytow
06-13-2009, 07:54 AM
I beg to differ. Metal Gear Solid 3, in my opinion anyway, is the best one in the series.
Even though "Solid" might refer to the fact that's it's in 3D (which actually doesn't make any sense), everyone associates it with Solid Snake.
I agree that everyone does associate it with solid snake, I'm just saying that for that reason metal gear "solid" can go on without solid snake.
Don't get me wrong I 100% agree that MGS 3 has a great story and some great features.
However there are some things I don't like such as the fact that the story is so involved with CQC and you rarely get a chance to use it in the game and I don't want to go into my inventory to cure myself 10 times during a boss battle. BUT to be fair to Kojima I wernt bothered by these things the first 5 or 6 times I played through the game, it took a long time.
I think Solid makes perfect sense myself but I do respect your oppinion and I am not trying to change it.
By the way solid snake will be 2 years old in peace walker, should be fun.
JRussell89
06-15-2009, 08:20 AM
I just watched a video showing what appears to be gameplay from Peace Walker. I'm confused is all I can say. I also think the Metal Gear franchise can continue. However, I think a majority of fans associate the Solid part of the title with Solid Snake and his saga that's all. When I first played MGS on PSOne I never thought of the title denoting the 3D nature of the game.
Jaytow
06-15-2009, 09:43 AM
I just watched a video showing what appears to be gameplay from Peace Walker. I'm confused is all I can say. I also think the Metal Gear franchise can continue. However, I think a majority of fans associate the Solid part of the title with Solid Snake and his saga that's all. When I first played MGS on PSOne I never thought of the title denoting the 3D nature of the game.
Oh, the E3 video?
The thing I loved most about the E3 video is that we have "crawl walk" like in mgs 4, that made things so much easier.
By the way there is a kojima podcast up on the website and they talk a little about the new games.
Hey, Jaytow, you're right... 1974, Solid, Liquid and Solidus are two years old. How come I hadn't thought about that before?
I don't think baby David will be included, though.
JRussell89
07-03-2009, 09:06 PM
You know, after much thought I am kind of interested now to see what story has been cooked for theses games. I hope we get more news soon regarding these titles.
Jaytow
07-04-2009, 04:15 AM
Kojima keeps saying how this will be replayable more than any other MGS game (Peace Walker).
I think it's possible that you can play through as the different "big boss" characters also if there is 5 big boss' on screen at one time then this would be a great time to introduce co-op story play into the metal gear series.
My other thought is that this will be a game not too unlike PO where you sort out your troops and stuff in a menu screen and then you go into a battlefield area but I hope not and it probabily wont be.
JRussell89
07-04-2009, 08:09 AM
I always thought the series had great replayability (is that even a word?). MGS4 has so many different ways to traverse and explore the different levels. This sounds promising.
Jaytow
07-04-2009, 10:58 AM
I always thought the series had great replayability (is that even a word?). MGS4 has so many different ways to traverse and explore the different levels. This sounds promising.
I agree, the series always had many unlockables and MGS 4 had around 40 completion medals so I am excited to see how they're going to top it.
JRussell89
08-17-2009, 12:15 AM
I know bumping an old thread, got it. However, there hasn't been anymore news or videos? Once again, Mr. Kojima has me baffled (love that word).