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[Mantis]

Given the happenings of the last couple of days, I can understand the blow VCO has taken, but I've seen 1 post in 3 days, come on people!

If you've got something to say about anything thats happened (Without flaming, and following all board rules) please state it! As VCO is built for the community by the community, your input is valued.

Please, if you're going to post critizism, please make sure you're not being bias. I don't want to see five million replies like 'OMFG maan, you lyk stole shiz, die bitch."
If you want to state something, make sure it's truth and not an opinion. As I've been discussing in the IRC channel for the last couple of days, please do not speculate on the situation, if you argue a point, you need the proof to back yourself up.

So anyone want to start this bad baby off? Questions can be asked too, I and I'm sure others will give answers (Truthful ones and not bullsh*t)

[DECEiFER]

Yes, and I'd like to add that VCO did NOT steal any source code from the early release of VC-MP, and intend on hiding it. When VCO started out, the code was referenced. We all reference stuff, for lots of reasons. That is not stealing. Any similarities in the two mods is less than 5%.

This is the truth, and the statement you saw on the VCO page was highly exaggerated to accommodate a certain owner of the other mod, due to unfavorable and truly unfounded legal threats through emails and private messages received from him. It was decided to remove the statement from the site a day later for a number of reasons, because it really had no basis in actual fact, and the said owner of the other mod later stated that he did not want any credit, nor does he deserve it.

The credits for the development of VCO are truthfully given in its entirety on the VCO page and within the server brower's About menu.


That is all, thank you for reading.

[Ettans]

I highly doubt ReGeX and/or Koolio found ALL the op-codes and addresses by themselves. You've probably missed a lot of GTAForums members from the credit list. If the developer(s) of VC:O didn't "steal" any code, why did they then ban Kye from the VC:O forums? That will NOT resolve your so called disagreements, it'll make them worse.Heres a list that show how similar Vice City Online is to VC:MP -


Instead of respawning after death, you go back to class selection.
Health-bars are most likely taken from the leaked SA:MP 0.2.5 source, as they look EXACTLY the same and do not even fit the Vice City theme. They were created by Kye to fit the San Andreas theme.
The texts you see at class-selection are at the EXACT same position they are/were in VC:MP 0.1c source release.
Look at the following image, don't the function names look very similar to VC:MP? Yes they do indeed, they are EXACTLY the same:

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This so called modification is only getting a bad name to the GTAGaming.com community and the members of the VC:O team. The picture alone proves that there was a hell of a lot more copy & paste job done than 5%, more like 40-50%. I rest my case. Have a nice day and good luck.

[Mantis]

Ettans, I've explictly told you in IRC NOT to speculate! You've already spread information that is inaccurate before now, and you're doing it again. Kye wasn't banned by any developer of VCO, I didn't ban him, ReGeX didn't, want to have a wild guess who did? Because I know exactly who did. See, as DECEiFER mentioned, Kye broke the forum rules by using threatening abuse against other people. You didn't see that, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
As for your image, yeah, it's already been seen aswell, Kye posted it already.
The function names may look the same, what, does that automatically mean the code is the same?
Do you think SA-MP and VC-MP was built on a structure like MTA when it was first made? I mean Kye had the source, he could of used it from MTA, just because it looks different, doesn't mean it aint the same.
I also know everything you've just written is coming from someone else, and don't try to hide it because it looks word for word in some instances.
The on death situation of returning back to spawn menu is something from back in MTA 0.5 and earlier, does that mean SA-MP copied the idea? See, the health bars can be looked at in any way, no matter now it would be done, it'd only be compared. Solid Color, multi color, and formatting.

You don't need to 'rest your case' because I'd love for you to reply to me.

[tuntis]

The function names may look the same, what, does that automatically mean the code is the same?
If we have over 20 functions that share the exact same naming with VC-MP, do you honestly think that some suspicion shouldn't take place?

[Ettans]

Mantis, nobody "forced" me to type that. Please explain to me, why on earth would ReGeX and/or Koolio use the EXACT same function names?

[Mantis]

Well how about as a template before release? Maybe they were too busy writing their own functions and testing them that they completely forgot about renaming them? Just a FYI, Koolio is involved in this, no need for and/or, he was there right upto public release.

Tuntis, I can understand it causing suspicion, but that doesn't mean that just because the names are the same that the code is, and for people to state inaccurate information [Or Whatever you want to call it, bullshit in my book]

Do'ya know what? I'm tired of taking shit from you, if you don't like VCO, then fuck off. Simples.

[DECEiFER]

First of all, Kye is not banned. If he is banned, I can assure you that ReGeX has no authority to execute the ban himself. ReGeX has no administrator privileges on this site. He only has a small few moderator privileges within this board, so he has no admin panel with any ban functions to access.

Second. ReGeX is an extremely skilled programmer, and Koolio was there as the developing partner with him all the way up to the release, before resigning through his own accord. Koolio will always be a founding member alongside ReGeX, and does not have any animosity towards the mod. He did not resign after the Kye incident broke out, he resigned before it. There is no link to this and Koolio's departure. VCO was in the hands of people who knew what they were doing. No, they did not get all the op-codes themselves. I know they did ask for help, and that help has been given credit within the server browser (VRocker from Liberty Unleashed, right?). But look at what VCO has, its features and functions. It's massive, and there's a whole lot unique about it. If the VCO developers were not highly skilled programmers, then VCO wouldn't be any better than VC-MP 0.1c that came out in what, 2005 or 2006? But it is, it is a lot lot better. Kye and any other VC-MP team member played no direct part in making what VCO is today in its current state.

But hey, Ettans, I'll tell ya what. If the health bar and fonts bother you, I'll try and persuade ReGeX to change them for RC2. If anything it will prove that VCO is created legitimately and with competence.

[tuntis]

Do'ya know what? I'm tired of taking shit from you, if you don't like VCO, then fuck off. Simples.
Maybe everybody here could stop being so hostile about this whole thing?

[iKlipse]

Ettans, don't even bother arguing. You have no where near as much knowledge towards VC:O than what the developer and beta testers have. Yes, VC:O was partially (barely) based off of VC:MP... What's wrong with that? You got to start somewhere.. VC:MP was based off of MTA:VC, how else were they supposed to learn how to create it?

Yes VC:O has used a couple of functions that VC:MP uses, so what? Its all part of the learning process and will most likely be modified or replaced in the future.

About the rumor of Kyeman being banned on this site... Total bullshit, I contacted him through PM on this site and specifically told him to leave ReGeX alone and to leave the arguments to an instant messenger. Who ever said he was banned needs a good kick to the nuts. My job here is to keep the forums under control, I am doing just that.

Now, one last thing. This is only RC1, learning is needed to succeed. If anyone here has a problem with that, then cry me and everyone else a river.
Kyeman did the exact same, he would've needed samples of MTA:VC's source code in order to understand how to build the VC:MP mod. He just can't handle a bit of competition, that is why he made a big deal of it. VC:MP was eventually changed so it was completely unique, that is exactly what is being done on VC:O. Now... Stop bitchin', you obviously misunderstood everything that has been said about VC:O and VC:MP. VC:O's source code is very, very, different to VC:MP than what you may think.

[DECEiFER]

Maybe everybody here could stop being so hostile about this whole thing?
There is no need for any hostilities. However, that said, some people are just lashing out against VCO without knowing the facts, and that can't go ignored. I stand by everything I said, what Mantis has stated factually, and what has just been said by iKlipse.

Remember also, the functions in the game are mostly based on what R* coded into the engine, and it is R* who deserve the credit. That is, why, none of these mods can claim full copyright or ownership by their respective developers. It would be illegal, in-fact, to do so. They exist casually and unprovoked, solely at the leisure of R* themselves.

[Mantis]

Maybe everybody here could stop being so hostile about this whole thing?

That was a little edit for a certain someone who likes to send me personal messages. It was automerged.
I apologise for that comment, it wasn't needed on the topic. I should of taken it private.

[ReGeX]

Well, I am not arguing the point, for I already made it quite clear with the home page.

Tenets:
- The homepage notice was removed because Kye did not want credit (I do have proof of that), and he did not reply back to my most recent messages, which stopped about 3 days ago. The last thing that I said to him was that I violated no copyleft law and that he has no right to accuse me.
- The VCO source code is NOT going to be released; it stays on my home server where it belongs.
- I did mention that VCO is DERIVED from VCMP 0.1c source code. Most of the functions that you see there are inert and are not used. Try it yourself: disassemble the VCO FLT, and you see those addresses for those EXACT FUNCTIONS? Search for assembly calls to of those addresses, and what do you know? Most of them: NONE! As for the few that exist, ask Kye for the 0.1c flt, go to the addresses in both the VCO FLT and 0.1c FLT, and then compare the assembly code. You'll notice that they ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! Proof always wins.

Now for the good stuff:
- Work on RC2 has already begun, and yes, it is actually from scratch this time...you can disassemble it yourself for proof.
- I used the VCMP 0.1c source as a foundation for the project, with only 1-2 percent of VCMP on the server executable remaining and about 5 percent remaining on the FLT.
- Are you concerned about the performance of RC2? Look at the new server browser compared to RC1; yes, I am capable of revolutionizing RC2.


I don't see what the problem is, for I have openly admitted it to the public. The point is that VCO is not a copy of VCMP, and even if it was, take a look for yourself. Honestly compare 0.1c created in 2005 and then look at VCO in 2007-2009. You can't!

And no Ettans, I did not get the opcodes and addresses for RC1 all by myself, excluding about 50. You think they got all of them themselves too? Take a look on memory address topics and scripting topics on the GTAForums and look at how many times Kye posted.

Point taken, all GTA modifications are ways not to show off, but to learn. Honestly, do you see any other GTA modifications with a GPL or another license? MTA:SA has permission from Rockstar to license, but VCMP obviously does not. In summation, the GPL does not apply.

What's done is done, I can't change the past. But from now on, I'll have to prove to you all of my abilities and VC's abilities. Spreading false rumours is just like a cat fight. I did what was necessary, exaggerated the point, and nothing more. The public is now aware of the situation, and we are doing our best to repair the trust gap.

Stay tuned for RC2, for it really will blow you away, and yes, we can prove it.