Zeitgeist

[Superman]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ZeitTitle_b.jpg

This guy explains how he wants the world to be like.

Website: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Latest Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277 695921912
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_(2007_Film)

[baleent]

Uhhh, not quite. It's more about how fucked up the big guys are.

How globalization is America's way of pushing the little guy around.

Economic hitmen, wage slaves, etc.

It's a lot of different people in it, I don't know who 'this guy' is.

[Zeshil]

Uhhh, not quite. It's more about how fucked up the big guys are.

How globalization is America's way of pushing the little guy around.

Economic hitmen, wage slaves, etc.

It's a lot of different people in it, I don't know who 'this guy' is.

Exactly, It shows us what the "Men behind the curtain" dont want us to know and see
and it isnt all made up way out of the field stuff, they actually did their homework on it

[baleent]

It's actually a great movie that I think everyone should see in their life. It really puts a different perspective on "Ask not what your country can do for you..."

I've wondered what might happen if somehow it got on NatGeo or something.

[Xan]

I've watched this and the second film. Everyone should at least watch it once in their life

[Superman]

Uhhh, not quite. It's more about how fucked up the big guys are.

How globalization is America's way of pushing the little guy around.

Economic hitmen, wage slaves, etc.

It's a lot of different people in it, I don't know who 'this guy' is.

This guy is Peter Joseph.

Exactly, It shows us what the "Men behind the curtain" dont want us to know and see
and it isnt all made up way out of the field stuff, they actually did their homework on it

I totally agree.

It's actually a great movie that I think everyone should see in their life. It really puts a different perspective on "Ask not what your country can do for you..."

I've wondered what might happen if somehow it got on NatGeo or something.

I agree, the movie also has honorable quotes.

I've watched this and the second film. Everyone should at least watch it once in their life

The best way to pass this on is to tell your friends and family about it.

Not to go off topic but, that is exactly how Napster became popular. :)

P.S, thanks guys for watching the movie, I hope you all forward it on to friends and family. :D

If you are curious and want to join this guy and his group visit...
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

[Kodo]

Zeitgeist is an excellent movie... here's a scenario playing off the film's message.

You are living with your friends on Candy Mountain. You and your friends love candy, so you elect a new emperor who promises to let you have your candy. This new Emperor DeKay Von Kavity takes control of the kingdom. He seems very friendly because he lets you sit around all day eating as much candy as you want. But when night comes, the emperor takes some of your teeth. He takes your teeth slowly, one by one, until few teeth remain. Eventually all your teeth are gone, and you can't eat your candy anymore.

Wake up!!

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

Zeitgeist makes for a good fictional movie. If you take it to mean anything more than that, then you are a fool :P

Exactly, It shows us what the "Men behind the curtain" dont want us to know and see
and it isnt all made up way out of the field stuff, they actually did their homework on it
They really, really didn't do their homework. It's been a while since I watched any of the Zeitgeist movies, so I can't remember enough to put forward the criticisms and issues with it I had when I watched it - and I refuse to sit through that utter drivel again. So, instead, I just did a quick google search for Zeitgeist criticisms and found a whole bunch of people who actually back up their arguments and statements with other sources and facts that are actually well known throughout the historical and scientific communities - rather than spewing crap like "There are 12 zodiac constellations, Jesus had 12 followers. COINCIDENCE?!?! I THINK NOWTW?!" - Seriously, the arguments in the movies are utter crap. The moment that convinced me that the writer doesn't know of what he speaks is when he says that Horus was the Ancient Egyptian sun god. Actually, Ra was. At some points in history, Ra and Horus are combined into a single God, Ra-Horakht[1 (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/re.htm)]. They also said (IIRC) that Horus was (like Jesus) born to a virgin. Actually, the story goes that Horus was born to Isis and Osiris with no mention to either of them being virgins. Horus being the origin of our word "Horizon"? How about, the word came from the Greek words "horizon kyklos" that meant something along the lines of "bounding circle"[2 (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/horizon)].

Another point that was made that seemed too far-fetched to be true was that apparently Americans don't legally have to pay income tax. What utter crap is that. Even if that was true once upon a time, there is no way that the loophole would still be open. Have a read of this (http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/t axes/16th.htm) - it squashes the tired myth with facts.

The movies are full of ridiculous, inaccurate statements that are not backed up by any sources or logic at all. Any statements in the movies that could actually (on the off chance) be true lose all credibility because of the amount of crap that the rest of the movie is padded out with.

[WheresMalik]

I agree with Punk, really.

People have to believe something and if they aren't going to believe in THE MAN, they have to believe in those that are against the man. Regardless of whether or not those people provide accurate information with sources to back up that information.

I take everything with a grain of salt. For a multitude of reasons I don't believe in global corporate power or whateverwhatever, but I also don't believe in the people who are obviously biased against those in power. Either side is rife with inaccurate information and misinformation to get you to believe what they want you to believe.

Read everything you can and decide for yourself, you know?

[pundit]

I think Zeitgeist makes some interesting points, but you shouldn't take everything too serious,
however, it reminds you to stay critical & keep your eyes open at all points and not just swallow everything you're getting fed
in that aspect it's just great. There's some evil, greedy corporations out there who make it their business to "kill off" (not literally) the middleman or destroy peoples lives selling whatever
What comes to mind for me when i watch this for example are biological engineering companies with their trademark crops who sue innocent farmers and mess with nature or some pharmaceutical companies selling medicine while hiding facts about it, endangering peoples lives and still making millions in the progress..

[Kodo]

Actually it is 100% true that you don't have to pay federal income tax.

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

Actually it is 100% true that you don't have to pay federal income tax.
Your point is as valid as the ones made in Zeitgeist. Care to back up your claim with any sort of proof?

[Kodo]

lol what kind of proof do you need? I don't pay federal income tax. My parents don't. My friends don't. what else can i say?

however i will comment on the Zeitgeist 2: Addendum film because i just watched that last night. Joseph gives a nice, happy idea of a resource based economy with the whole world working together. It won't work because it requires the cooperation of everyone and that won't happen in our lifetime. As long as there has been people on earth they have been fucking it up, that's what makes it our planet.

the world will always be fucked up, humans will always have the choice of living for their God or giving in to their natural desires of lust, greed, power etc. Every generation has new technology and medicine and communication, but why are we not any better off? why is it still fucked up? because humans will always exploit these advances for profit, thus things will always be getting worse. People will always be given challenges they can handle, that's what makes life worth living. If the world was happy and peaceful and easy then it would already be heaven. The world will always look dark but streams of light are always shining through.

And like a guy said in the first film, life is just a ride

[Havok]

Don't you think that these men who control the world would have stopped Zeitgiest from ever getting as big as it did?
If a video of Beyonce falling downstairs can be pulled off Youtube within 20 minutes of it going up don't you think this and the people that made it would have been long gone before anyone ever heard of it.

Common fucking sense.

[Kodo]

that's not necessarily the case because the internet is the first communication medium without a single source so that means the flow of information cannot be controlled like it has been in the past. although with the convergence of media holdings it is most definitely heading in that direction so i understand your point.

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

lol what kind of proof do you need? I don't pay federal income tax. My parents don't. My friends don't. what else can i say?

Thank you. Admitting that you and your family are tax evaders is surely enough evidence that could actually win a case in a court of law. "Income tax isn't a legal requirement, because me and my family don't pay it". Possibly the worst argument ever. Googling for "income tax myth" (http://www.google.com/search?q=income%20tax%20myt h) returns a lot of hits about this myth and most, if not all of them explain exactly why this myth is false and that paying income tax is a legal requirement. While I'm really not one to say "If it's on the internet it must be true", I'd really like to see you come up with some actual evidence for your argument that rivals the thousands of links (a lot from reputable sources) that I have found.

[Kodo]

are you even american? how would you know? and why are you so invested in something that has no relevance to you? see where you're confused is that nobody has to prove shit to you. federal income tax, no. state income tax, yes. that's the truth and if you don't believe it i can't help you. frankly i don't care either way, life goes on.

[.:Mouldy Punk:.]

are you even american? how would you know? and why are you so invested in something that has no relevance to you? see where you're confused is that nobody has to prove shit to you. federal income tax, no. state income tax, yes. that's the truth and if you don't believe it i can't help you. frankly i don't care either way, life goes on.
No, I'm not American, and you're right, I don't care if you pay taxes to your government or not. But considering you're now questioning my motives behind asking you and are still dodging providing any sort of evidence to back up your claims, I'd guess that you don't actually have any evidence and that you may have heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who maybe also watched Zeitgeist and then proceeded to tell everybody they know like it's a factual documentary.

Your claim about federal income tax not being mandatory is incorrect (http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/t axes/JustNoLaw.htm) as shown by numerous sources if you actually research it - because, as I mentioned in the previous paragraph, it's fair to assume you haven't. It's a very common myth that a lot of people believe despite there being no evidence to back it up, and despite the piles of evidence that prove it's wrong. I could ramble on for a few pages about my actual motives for arguing with you on this - but they're neither here nor there, so we'll just say I'm doing it for shits and giggles.

The point is, we're both being stubborn, but only one of us is right. I'm more inclined to believe it's me that's right because, unlike you, I back up my claims. I don't make bold statements then blindly defend them.


Edit:

Just to seal the deal, here's a link to the part of US law that clearly states that paying income tax is in fact required by federal law.

"There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every individual ... who is not a married individual ... a tax determined in accordance with the following table"

Obviously, there are similar paragraphs about married people and such.

Source: Cornell University (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_ 00000001----000-.html)

If you don't think that source is reputable enough, I'd recommend Googling for US Code Title 26. For those of you who don't know, US Code is a compilation of all general and permanent federal laws for the US.



Finding US law is so much easier than finding English law :P

[Kodo]

let's go in circles or talk about something else, maybe Zeitgeist!

[Superman]

Ahem, to get back on topic...

Based on the orginial (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197) movie...

Part 1: I believe in God because I have faith. That is why I always skip this part every time I revise this movie. I tend to believe in God just in case there is a leader (Zeus, Poseidon, Allah, God) of man kind we will meet on the Last Judgment.

Part 2: I do believe that no Muslim Terrorist, to state, you cannot ever say Muslim Terrorist, it is an oxy moron. For example, same difference. Muslim means someone who submits to god. And terrorist means someone who spreads terror. So please double check your ignorance. (Not directly to anyone...) Back on topic, you should never believe the media, for all we know, there could be a FBI agent with a gun to the journalists head while he reports. The chances are endless. 9/11 was an inside job. Period.

Part 3: I support this all the way, the U.S. hides more than it shows. See for yourself. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197)

P.S. I am no scholar or any self proclaimed scholar. I really only stick to the facts, nothing less, nothing more.

P.S. Zeitgeist day is soon... (http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php? option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=149)

[Johnny C]

Yeah this movie and addendum were very great films

Great explanation of corruption

I burned 50 copies of each film and handed em out at random and to some jehovas witnesses that came to my apt.

haha!

You guys should watch alex jones videos on youtube

possibly order his endgame dvd?
He knows a lot more than these zeitgeist people i beleive
and i've watched both zeitgeist several times

[Superman]

Yeah this movie and addendum were very great films

Great explanation of corruption

I burned 50 copies of each film and handed em out at random and to some jehovas witnesses that came to my apt.

haha!

You guys should watch alex jones videos on youtube

possibly order his endgame dvd?
He knows a lot more than these zeitgeist people i beleive
and i've watched both zeitgeist several times

Wow, I typed his name into YouTube and watched a few of his protests and conspiracies. I just don't want to be behind him in a line... :P

[Johnny C]

yeah i dont wannabe blackballed by feds....any of u guys listen to immortal technique?

[Zeshil]

Have any of you watch Alex Jone's new documenty about Obama

Obama Deception

Really gets you thinking