Theory on Luis's missions in DLC #2.

[DRzCalderon]

Well, the first time we see luis Lopez is when he's on the floor during the '' three Leaf Clover ''mission. the way this mission is going to go in luis's perspective is when niko and the MCcreary brothers are busy shouting at the clerks to open the door and when niko is robbing the safe, there is extra conversation going on when luis is on the ground. And when niko and the others flee the bank, I assume he attends to take some money leftover in the safe because of niko saying '' I didn't get all of it '' causing this to be a possible chase scene for luis. And the reason why he was at the bank in the first place was because he may have also had an intention to rob the bank as well.

Now During the '' Museum Piece '' mission, we see luis shoot at a couple of guys during the deal, killing them instantly. But doesn't kill johnny ( obviously ) and that other guy with the beard and hat. so during this mission in luis's perspective, the player would have to go after that guy with the hat due to him picking up the diamonds right before fleeing the scene and johnny fleeing with the suitcase. And in gameplay, you would have to chase the guy with the hat and confront him to attain the diamonds. Not to mention the fact that Luis ends up with the diamonds in the game when making the exchange for Ancelotti's daughter.

Last but not least, During his last appereance in the game, when your doing '' Diamonds is a Women's Best Friend '' mission, right after niko is attacked by Bulgarin's henchmen, Luis with Ancelotti and his daughter flee the scene instantly as well as Bulgarin. So this brings the assumption of there being a chase scene during this mission. so the player would most likely be fleeing in a car chase from bulgarin. It could be that in gameplay the protogonist will be driving to flee from him or would be shooting at him during the car chase.

So what do you guys think? And share your theories as well.

[devil chevelle]

i can see most of what you said happening besides the bank robbery i dought he was there to rob it and i also dought he will be there to take the money that was left over cus that would be just plain dumb they can see his face in plain site and then he would just be fucked by the authorites when they find him. but you did make a good point and it will be good to see what they do with luis on that mission.also i think on the muesuem piece mission i have a feeling it will be luis escaping issac roth and mori greens men rather then chasing after them. and the last mission i can say you did pretty well on assuming what will happen.

[Ash_735]

Museum Piece requires a lot of examination, it wasn't until finding out about Luis that I could finally piece all this Diamond business together. From what we know, Issac is stuck, when the mission starts after the ambush, turn around and walk into that small room, Issac is there shouting at you to clear the path. Character wise, we KNOW Luis got the Diamonds, because Gay Tony has the Diamonds back for the trade during "Diamonds Are A Girls Best Friend" and we KNOW Johnny grabbed the cash and ran, for obvious reason as Ray mentions, so that leaves Niko, whose tasks is to clear the mob and clear the path for himself and Issac (to which we late go and kill him anyway).

I like the "Impossible Trinity" theory because it's also the point in the story when a lot of power changes in one event, in a little ironic way, least affecting Niko, it's The Lost and Johnny who risked hell to get those Diamonds and waiting for a pay off, so even though it went wrong, Johnny still got his cash. Luis, if we assume, is working with the Mob and Gay Tony to try and track down the diamonds and get them back, something which he finally does in that mission, which spins off a whole new sub-genre of missions involving kidnapping Gracie and the McRearys getting involved.

[DRzCalderon]

Museum Piece requires a lot of examination, it wasn't until finding out about Luis that I could finally piece all this Diamond business together. From what we know, Issac is stuck, when the mission starts after the ambush, turn around and walk into that small room, Issac is there shouting at you to clear the path. Character wise, we KNOW Luis got the Diamonds, because Gay Tony has the Diamonds back for the trade during "Diamonds Are A Girls Best Friend" and we KNOW Johnny grabbed the cash and ran, for obvious reason as Ray mentions, so that leaves Niko, whose tasks is to clear the mob and clear the path for himself and Issac (to which we late go and kill him anyway).

I like the "Impossible Trinity" theory because it's also the point in the story when a lot of power changes in one event, in a little ironic way, least affecting Niko, it's The Lost and Johnny who risked hell to get those Diamonds and waiting for a pay off, so even though it went wrong, Johnny still got his cash. Luis, if we assume, is working with the Mob and Gay Tony to try and track down the diamonds and get them back, something which he finally does in that mission, which spins off a whole new sub-genre of missions involving kidnapping Gracie and the McRearys getting involved.

Very good eye ash. I didn't notice when issac actually gets stuck shouting at niko to clear the path. So I iguess i'm completely out of theories in which how Luis got the diamonds without being seen. How is the gameplay going to be represented there.

[Jimmy_86]

Some interesting ideas there. Once we're familiar with Johnny's role in these events I'm sure we'll have a better picture on what Luis gets up to. For example, why & how is Luis associated with the Anciolotties? Why did he ambush the meeting in the museum (other than the high value of the diamonds and cash) and how did he know about the deal in the first place?

[victim]

Some interesting ideas there. Once we're familiar with Johnny's role in these events I'm sure we'll have a better picture on what Luis gets up to. For example, why & how is Luis associated with the Anciolotties? Why did he ambush the meeting in the museum (other than the high value of the diamonds and cash) and how did he know about the deal in the first place?

Luis is Gay Tony's bodyguard, who is an associate to the Ancelotti Crime Family and a friend of Gracie's.

[devil chevelle]

i agree with all the luis stuff but theres one thing that kind of bothers me but im sure rockstar will have a great reason for it later. the mafia doesent get assosiates to do stuff that luis is doing and in a mans position like gay tony he couldent order that shit either so why would luis be there he is obviously not made with the ancelottis gay tony is just a club owner he cant order all that so why would old man ancelotti order luis to be there you know. o and by the way i never realized that isaac was in the back telling niko to clear the path ..... just when i thought i knew everything about gta

[Jimmy_86]

Luis is Gay Tony's bodyguard, who is an associate to the Ancelotti Crime Family and a friend of Gracie's.
Good point, I should of thought to look him up on the LCPD database.

[victim]

i agree with all the luis stuff but theres one thing that kind of bothers me but im sure rockstar will have a great reason for it later. the mafia doesent get assosiates to do stuff that luis is doing and in a mans position like gay tony he couldent order that shit either so why would luis be there he is obviously not made with the ancelottis gay tony is just a club owner he cant order all that so why would old man ancelotti order luis to be there you know.

I'm fairly sure they were Gay Tony's diamonds in the first place - the Biker's stole them from him. So Luis, Gay Tony's bodyguard went to steal them back.

There is a lot of mystery surrounding these diamonds, I'm sure both episodes of the DLC plan on answering this.

[Jimmy_86]

Well I thought the diamonds arrived with Niko. You see a guy mixing them into a cake mix (I think that's what it is) in the opening movie on the Platypus. I wonder who they were intended for originally? Also the news states shortly after Niko's arrival that the captain of the Platypus was found dead in the river. Perhaps Luis (or the Lost?) took the diamonds from the boat and killed the captain in the process.

[victim]

That's highly possibly, my guess would be that Luis stole them from the boat, seeing as the Lost took them from Luis. Remember Bulgarin also claimed to own the diamonds, so he probably sent them to America on the boat, or something.

[JRussell89]

Luis' connection to the Ancellottis is not that hard to figure out. He is a hired outsider that has an established trust with the family head. This is exhibited previously by Claude in III, CJ in his Las Venturas adventures an Niko with Jimmy P. If a mob boss can outsource "projects" to distract federal agents they will use them from time to time.

[zeeshan810]

From my view I think this is what he did in GTA IV.
Luis Fernando Lopez

Luis Fernando Lopez is a Dominican-American street gangster associated with the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers and also works as a bodyguard for club owner and Ancelotti associate Anthony "Gay Tony" Prince. He is also be rumored to be involved in underground fight clubs. Luis appears during Grand Theft Auto IV on three occasions. The first time he visits the Bank of Liberty branch in Algonquin during the bank robbery pulled off by the McReary brothers and Niko Bellic in the mission Three Leaf Clover. Fellow hostage Eugene Reaper suggested that they stand up to the robbers. Luis stated it was a bad idea, which was proven when Eugene killed Keane and was then shot dead by Packie and Derrick. Luis presumably escaped when the surviving robbers fled the scene. The second time, he ambushes the diamond deal that Niko was making with Isaac Roth on behalf of the Pegorinos in the mission Museum Piece. It has also been speculated that Luis worked with Johnny, but he was there with the Ancelotti Family when the deal crashed, and he shot at Johnny. The third time he went to the diamond/Gracie Ancelotti exchange with Gay Tony in the mission Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend.

There is some speculation he will be the protagonist in the second episode of the DLC. Reasons to support this are his mysterious appearances in Grand Theft Auto IV, and questionable background. This is also suspected due to Niko and Johnny, two protagonists, meet up in the museum, and Luis appears to ambush it. As well as the achievement you get after completing the Museum Piece mission is called "Impossible Trinity", which at first is crpytic, but makes speculative sense: 3 characters have been brought together by almost impossble events. Whether or not he appears in the second episode of DLC is still up in the air, but by his mysterious appearances, he may be featured more in The Lost and Damned.

[Ash_735]

Well I thought the diamonds arrived with Niko. You see a guy mixing them into a cake mix (I think that's what it is) in the opening movie on the Platypus. I wonder who they were intended for originally? Also the news states shortly after Niko's arrival that the captain of the Platypus was found dead in the river. Perhaps Luis (or the Lost?) took the diamonds from the boat and killed the captain in the process.

Here is what I think, may not be true, but best way I could see all characters being involved.

1. They are smuggled into Liberty City by BULGARIN, under his orders he has plans to sell them in LC to make a profit.
2. He sells them to Gay Tony for the Ancellottis (sp?), who in turn takes them back to his club whilst under guard with Luis.
3. News is leaked and this is how ISSAC and THE LOST find out about them.
4. Ray Boccino puts out an order for them offering a lot of cash, something THE LOST decide to take up.
5. The Lost raid the club, steal the diamonds and dump them in Algonquin (as mentioned by the trash workers).
6. Ray sets up a deal with ISSAC and gets Niko and Johnny to do the deal.
7. LUIS finds out about this and in the short time manages to get a crew together to lock down the Museum.
8. "Museum Piece"
9. With the Diamonds back in the hands of Gay Tony, here I'd assume he's getting doubts about the whole thing, Luis mentions Niko, The Ancellottis know their seller is after Niko, they keep that in mind.
10. The McRearys now want the Diamonds so the whole kidnap plan is done.
11. Whilst agreeing to the Deal, Gay Tony/Any goon informs BULGARIN where the deal is taking place.
12. "Diamonds Are A Girls Best Friend"
13. Hobo lives the good life.

[Jimmy_86]

Ash, regarding point 4, this Ray/Lost connection is likely through Johnny's "Old Lady".

More importantly, (points 1-2) the captain of the Platypus died and they make a point of mentioning it on the news. I'd say Bulgarin is unlikely to have any positive dealings with Luis/Tony/Ancelottis, especially noting the way Luis & Gracie etc run off when Bulgarin crashes that deal.

Also, the crew you mention in point 7 is surely just a bunch of Ancelotti* generic gang members.

I think we've put together a basic idea of what happened in the diamond's life cycle but there's still a lot of how & why.

*That's the correct spelling, I checked the manual.

[Jaytow]

The slow pace of IV seems to be paying off.

The opening scene on the ship has so much to do with the game than we would have ever thought.

Ok, I have only went through IV three times so I'm a little rusty but in one mission when you're chasing a biker he says "there's the guy who Johnny ripped off". Does this mean that it was always johnnys intention to rip Niko off or does it mean that Johnny saw an opportunity and took it?

If it means that Johnny intended on ripping Niko off then is it possible that he is working with Luis?
Edit: I just watched it again and Luis shoots at Johnny so that's a no...
I also think that if we see Luis in TLAD (in a place where we didnt see him in IV) then it will be near confirmation of the next main character.

[JRussell89]

Great points guys! I do have one thought that bothers me though. It's probably nothing but is there a possible angle that would involve the elusive Kenny Petrovic? Throughout the game you hear of how powerful he is. Also his connection to the Platypus via the multiplayer mission Bomb da Base II has always had me confused. If he was so damn important, why did we never see him in the main story? Sorry guys, that just really bugs the shit out of me.

[Ash_735]

There are five mob families in LC, I'd guess the Petrovis were put aside for Multiplayer games to give them some purpose. The only time I can remember their involvement with the story is when you kill Lenny in Bohan under orders from Faustin.

Jimmy, good point, I need to listen to the Radio News more, but with 70 parts, it's gonna take a while, I just remember Biker news on it and events that Niko caused, other than that I always chaged stations when it started going on about TV Shows or famous people.

[victim]

I do recall some talk about Gay Tony on the radio; the police shut down his clubs at one point of the game. I also recall French Tom claiming that Gay Tony is actually quite poor.

[Jimmy_86]

I also noticed in the intro that boxes were being loaded into the cars on the Platypus, probably the cakes with the diamonds. Could it be that the cars are actually driving to their "rightful" owner when Luis or whoever takes them. That'd be an early mission for Luis - steal this car, don't destroy it or the cakes it's transporting.

[OMFGitsJoey]

I do recall some talk about Gay Tony on the radio; the police shut down his clubs at one point of the game. I also recall French Tom claiming that Gay Tony is actually quite poor.

The news report about Gay Tony`s clubs being closed down is at the end of the story, in the bulletin with Gravelli`s death and the tramp finding the diamonds. Don`t forget that Gracie lives just around the corner from The Lost HQ, so it`s possible she`s friends with Ashley Butler and/or Leila Sharpe. Also it`s a birthday cake the diamonds get baked into, so it could be Gracies party at Maisonette 9 that the Lost steal the diamonds from having found out from Ashley or Leila. This is what Johnny Spaz was talking about during "Taking In The Trash". Ray Boccino is just a fence but I think his missions are the lynchpin tying all three stories together. I was trying to find an exact time of death for Leila S. using the LCPD database, and apparently she is alive between driving from Drusillas to meet the two Lost bikers and deceased immediately after you recieve the call from Ray immediately after you finish that mission. And for the rest of the game you here nothing of the Lost, but the Ancelottis come more into it.

[lillb]

interesting detective work there OMFGitsJoey

[devil chevelle]

I also noticed in the intro that boxes were being loaded into the cars on the Platypus, probably the cakes with the diamonds. Could it be that the cars are actually driving to their "rightful" owner when Luis or whoever takes them. That'd be an early mission for Luis - steal this car, don't destroy it or the cakes it's transporting.

i thought the heroin was being loaded into the cars which would then be given to the chinese mafia which would then be taken by niko for phil bell and the peggorinos also who is leila s. is she johnnys girlfriend or what if so maybe she will have the same fate as kate and get caught in the cross fire after a hit on johnny by ray

nevermind i figured out who she is

[Jimmy_86]

i thought the heroin was being loaded into the cars which would then be given to the chinese mafia which would then be taken by niko for phil bell and the peggorinos also who is leila s. is she johnnys girlfriend or what if so maybe she will have the same fate as kate and get caught in the cross fire after a hit on johnny by ray

nevermind i figured out who she is
You might be right. Hossan does mention he hopes those Chinese guys from the Platypus managed to smuggle their cocaine.

[BlackSilver65]

But in the beginning, you clearly see that guy looking at a diamond and then dropping it into the batter.

[DRzCalderon]

I guess that it can be sure that Luis is the protogonist in DLC 2 because Rockstar may have planned this ever since the game was in production. And plus its just too obvious.

[Termless]

I guess that it can be sure that Luis is the protogonist in DLC 2 because Rockstar may have planned this ever since the game was in production. And plus its just too obvious.
I hope its Luis Fernando Lopez. But what about the fight club type of mini-game that hes into?

[lillb]

what fight club mini-game? are you saying they should add one?
if so i agree that was one of the minigames i actually enjoyed in SR2

[Termless]

what fight club mini-game? are you saying they should add one?
if so i agree that was one of the minigames i actually enjoyed in SR2
Thats what i heard. But i don't think its true.

[devil chevelle]

it says luis is in the underground fighting scene it didnt say anything about a fight club mini game. its just highly assumed that there will be a fight club mini game. but in order to confirm a fight club mini game we would have to confirm luis is the protagonist in dlc#2

[Jimmy_86]

I recently did Three Leaf Clover and shot Luis in the head to see what would happen. Packie said to not harm the hostages, other than that, no effect.

[Termless]

:laugh: I've been hearing about that. People killing Luis in that mission.

[DRzCalderon]

It really wouldn't matter if you killed luis on that mission. He still appears in the cutscenes ahead of that. And plus, you have any idea how many times i've killed Roman by accident and he comes back. ( yes kill, not injure. )

[Termless]

NO! Not Roman!!

[devil chevelle]

wait luis is on the ground in the bank after the cutscene ends ? ive never seen him there just on the cutscene.

well it turns out he is on the floor, see right after i found out that i thought to myself is he really gonna be the 2nd protagonist now because he actually showed up out of a cutscene (where johnny didnt which means you have full control over him) but then i started thinkin well maybe if you were to play luis it will just extend the bank robberty cutscene to where you see niko derrick packie run out of the bank then shoot the cops and then your part of the robbery starts and luis starts his part and does what it is he does. damn for a little moment there i thought maybe luis wasnt gonna be the guy

[lillb]

idk but when that guy on gametrailers tv asked the rockstar guy about this theory he seemed as if it was true

[devil chevelle]

idk but when that guy on gametrailers tv asked the rockstar guy about this theory he seemed as if it was true

if its not then im going to be surprised to the max. right now the only other guy i can think of it being is maybe ray bulgarin because he shows up sometimes but i mean its ray bulgarin he doesent do his own work he tells others to do it for him and plus. i couldent imagine playing as him luis is just such a good idea and plus i think its about time to play as a latino i actually would have preferred to play as one in san andreas and luis doesent look to ghetto to me so i hope we wont hearin "shoot this bitch money" and talk like that.

[Termless]

idk but when that guy on gametrailers tv asked the rockstar guy about this theory he seemed as if it was true
You see!!! It has to be luis for the 2nd download.

[Jimmy_86]

It really wouldn't matter if you killed luis on that mission. He still appears in the cutscenes ahead of that. And plus, you have any idea how many times i've killed Roman by accident and he comes back. ( yes kill, not injure. )
If by 'ahead' you mean 'before' then I'm fairly sure that's not the case. The friends do just end up in hospital if they "die" but Luis in the mission is just an oversight I'd guess, a novel one.

After buying weapons from Jacob once, I followed him when he drove off and he drove into a petrol pump, which blew up destroying his car with him in it.