Lost and Damned Discussion

[leelee862]

Nobody has made an official discussion thread yet so thought I would. So, let's discuss.

One thing that i'm most intrigued about are the characters that will be in Johnny's story. I've always loved a really character driven story so a good cast of character's is the main thing I really care about. Without a bunch of good supporting characters we just have a protagonist and a story and I ain't a big fan of that.

Right, I think we can safely say that Billy Gray could possibly be showing his face. And I wonder if any of the minor characters from Niko's story like Luis and Gay Tony will become major characters in Johnny's story. Then there was that biker chick who we saw with Ray in one of his cutscenes. Ray and Johnny work together so could she possibly have any connection with Johnny and could we be seeing Ray returning? Then we have the Ancellotti's - could we be seeing any of them in his story? Then there's the rival gang - will there be any major players from the gang in Johnny's story? Then there's the friends feature. Who, if he has any, will be Johnny's friends? If you look at the amount of characters that could be in his story it could turn out to be a very different experience to Niko's story indeed.

I wish I could've worded this a bit better. It's a bit of a jumble but when I have something in my head I have to just type it out or I lose it and it's gone forever. So I apologise for this jumbled mess.

EDIT: Is that better for the moron who neg rep'd me for not using paragraphs? I typed it out in a rush. I was getting round to tidying it up a bit. Jackass.

[Jaytow]

I've been playing through IV for the third time and it seems obvious that the second episode will be mafia.

Now that we know that the first episode is about the bikers the hints in the main story seem so obvious and the mafia are the only other gang refered to as much as the bikers.

I'm sure we'll see more of that guy who says he is owed money from Niko, Bulgarin is it?

To be honest the thought that the story will not be good has never crossed my mind since rockstar always does so well with the story however there are a few things I'm worried about:

1. Maybe I just need time to get used to it but I don't really like johnnys voice.
2. Johnny will have the same animations as Niko (please N0)

[Olin]

I'm only concerned with how strict the story will stay to its own plot. Rockstar North didn't learn much from San Andreas, as the story was, again, a bit all over the place. That, and Niko's inconsistencies with his personality.

[leelee862]

I've been playing through IV for the third time and it seems obvious that the second episode will be mafia.

Now that we know that the first episode is about the bikers the hints in the main story seem so obvious and the mafia are the only other gang refered to as much as the bikers.

I'm sure we'll see more of that guy who says he is owed money from Niko, Bulgarin is it?

To be honest the thought that the story will not be good has never crossed my mind since rockstar always does so well with the story however there are a few things I'm worried about:

1. Maybe I just need time to get used to it but I don't really like johnnys voice.
2. Johnny will have the same animations as Niko (please N0)

Looking at the story, Niko had a lot of involvement with the mafia so I think that's run it's course a bit. There may be a bit of mafia involvement in Johnny's story, with Ray and the Ancellotti's, but I doubt it'll be to the extent that it was in Niko's story. I also doubt that the second episode will be revolving around the mafia but if it does then I guess the only character we could really play with, that we know of and who had some involvement with Niko and has a decent back story worth looking into is Phil Bell. Now, I wouldn't say no to that because Phil was awesome.

I think the second episode will most probably explain more about Bulgarin and possibly see if anything comes of the whole diamond deal . But then I think, who was in the story, who'd be worth playing as, who had involvement with Bulgarin, besides Niko? Which then leads me to believe that if Bulgarin isn't in the second episode then Johnny may deal with him at some point in his story. Either way, I wanna know more about Bulgarin and his stay in Liberty City. Then if you think about it, there's a lot involving Bulgarin and Dimitri that went on behind the scenes that we didn't see in Niko's story so maybe we could possibly even play as Bulgarin himself? Who knows. I wouldn't mind that. It would be pretty cool playing as somebody who dishes out the orders for a change. Or maybe he isn't dishing them out in LC? Hmmm...

And as for your 2 points, I THINK, although don't quote me on this, that they've got a new voice actor in to do the voice for Johnny. Although I had no problem with Scott Hill. And yes, I 100% agree with you on your second point.

[lillb]

As jaytow said, I also don't worry much about the story being good, I want it to be and I have faith that Rockstar will deliver a good story.

As for the voice, I don't even remember Johnny's voice so it couldn't be that bad.

I'm mostly hoping to see some of the things that went out behind Niko's back, and the whole Bulgarin thing is really interesting. I have a feeling Johnny will deal with him in some way in the TLD. It does seem that the mafia would be the logical choice for the 2nd episdoe but I hope not. I despised most of the mafia guys by the end of the GTA IV story and wouldn't want to play as any of them.

I would think doing the second episode on the McCreary's possibly playing as Gerry would be cool. I doubt it tho because Niko did alot with them throughout the GTAIV story and noone would want half the episode to be what they saw in GTA IV, however if it was played as Gerry, maybe they could do it about what he was up to before Niko came into the picture. And how the McCreary's used to run the city as Packie claims during that one mission.

[Sam B.]

The only thing i know about this is that its a new story and you are playing as a different character, is there any word on new music, vehicles etc. don't worry i'm not going to ask if theirs a new city because i know its set at the same time niko was there and from experience from the game i know that you run into johnny throughout the story so that doesn't have to be cleared up

[lillb]

i believe somewhere said new vehicles, music, and weapons. couldn't find it but i know i read it

[claud3]

i believe somewhere said new vehicles, music, and weapons. couldn't find it but i know i read it


It was ash_735. That said

Link: http://www.gtagaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=191 1350&postcount=83

The game comes with:
A New Storyline with a New Lead Character (Lasting around 10 Hours) [GTA4 was touted as having a 30 Hour Storyline]
A New Soundtrack (Currently Unknown but will include new songs on Most of the Radio Stations)
New Weapons (Currently Unknown but is more than a few guns)
New Vehicles (Currently Unknown but is suppose to be more than a few Cars and Bikes)
New Clothing (New Main Character will have different options in clothing stores)
New Multiplayer Modes (Currently Unknown but is rumoured to be around 4 new co-op games)

Judging from the price this will be around 1600 Microsoft Points so it is clearly out of your range already, shame you won't get to see it. :P

[leelee862]

Wow, new everything. I'm stupidly exited now. I'm just one step away from salivating! I just can't wait.

[lillb]

yea i was thinking of a quote directly from rockstar but ash said the same thing

[John The Con]

It was ash_735. That said

Link: http://www.gtagaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=191 1350&postcount=83
There is alot of unverified information in that post. Terms like "but" and "unknown" are thrown around like the poster knows something for a fact, which of course he doesnt.

[lillb]

most of ash's post was said in a statement from rockstar
wish i could find it

EDIT:
it was actually on the GTAIV website:
Developed by Rockstar North and set in Liberty City, The Lost and Damned features a new main character and plot that intersects with the storyline of Grand Theft Auto IV; new missions that offer an entirely fresh way to explore Liberty City with new multiplayer modes, weapons and vehicles; and a diverse soundtrack with additional music – all with the incredible production values that are the trademarks of Grand Theft Auto.

http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/#?page=news

[Ash_735]

There is alot of unverified information in that post. Terms like "but" and "unknown" are thrown around like the poster knows something for a fact, which of course he doesnt.

Yes because I always lie about stuff, that's why I'm a News Poster on this website :P All of what I said has been confirmed by Rockstar, The reason I say "but" and "Unknown" is because we do not know what the new things are, we just know they will be new. :)

[Др.хуй]

Wait so do you not play as Niko anymore?

[Olin]

You been under a rock, or what?

[claud3]

ok so we are all clear. It was ash_735 that got the confirmed information from Rockstar.

Right Nope we don't play as niko. We play has Johnny a biker.

[leelee862]

I'm sure quite a few people are proabably aware of this already but i'll still post it for those who don't..

Looking through the LCPD database a bit ago I came across a few names of people that could possibly make an appearance in TLAD.

Ashley Butler - Billy Grey's "old lady" who happens to be the same woman that showed up at Drusilla's that time to see Ray Boccino. The meth addicted biker chick that informed him that the bin bags with the diamonds were in place.

Lester Arnold - Believed to be the leader of the Angels Of Death OMG. Little is known about him other than he has a serious problem with narcotics. He is 46 years old.

Albert Lawson - Member of the AOD. Believed to be the cause of the war between The Lost and the AOD by having sex with the mother of a member of The Lost. He is 49 years old.

Terry Thorpe - Member of The Lost. Believed to run a methemphetamine lab. He is 31 years old.

There were a few more names that I came across but can't remember what it said about them. These 4 are the characters that stood out to me.

[EMT]

Im glad I have a 360 so I can get this. Looks like it will be worth it :D

[Sam B.]

does any 1 know how this content will be accessed in the game? for example would it say in your cellphone Play Lost And Damned and then you press it and then it launches the other story.

[Havok_Jro]

Talk about ask my question eyy sammy :P...
I hope its just in the pause menu myself..cause i hate having to go through my phone to access stuff its soo slow, but well rockstar have this new phone system so there gonna milk it for all its worth

P.S Night Sammy :D

[lillb]

I am hoping it will run from the dashboard directly or atleast a start menu, loading all the way into GTA IV just to play TLAD seems like a waste
If its this way it would show up on your dashboard like an arcade game or demo but to run it you'd have to have the GTAIV disk in the drive
This to me seems the most logical way to implement it

[Alec_Pusay119]

Most logical way would be the access it through the phone like multiplayer, seeing as you would have to load up all of the contents on the GTAIV disk to play it anyways...

[lillb]

yea well as far as i understand it will not be linked to the normal GTA IV game at all so to load into your save file would be a waste maybe adding a start menu to the game would work fine but I would think it would be quite annoying to load into my GTA IV game just to play your TLAD game since they are separate

[Alec_Pusay119]

Oh, wait. I see what you are saying now.

I think to activate the episode the first time (just to start it) we will have to access it from our phone. From there we start it like any other video game. Once we save a file with Johnny though, I would assume it just loads that file every time you start the game (because it would be the most recent save file)

You're right, loading up a save file with Niko, only to go to our phone and start TLAD would be a waste of time. I thought you meant just booting up GTAIV in general wouldn't be needed.

[lillb]

yea and that could work with it just loading into which ever u last saved in but I'd like it better if I could choose before the game boots which one i wanna play

[devil chevelle]

As jaytow said, I also don't worry much about the story being good, I want it to be and I have faith that Rockstar will deliver a good story.

As for the voice, I don't even remember Johnny's voice so it couldn't be that bad.

I'm mostly hoping to see some of the things that went out behind Niko's back, and the whole Bulgarin thing is really interesting. I have a feeling Johnny will deal with him in some way in the TLD. It does seem that the mafia would be the logical choice for the 2nd episdoe but I hope not. I despised most of the mafia guys by the end of the GTA IV story and wouldn't want to play as any of them.

I would think doing the second episode on the McCreary's possibly playing as Gerry would be cool. I doubt it tho because Niko did alot with them throughout the GTAIV story and noone would want half the episode to be what they saw in GTA IV, however if it was played as Gerry, maybe they could do it about what he was up to before Niko came into the picture. And how the McCreary's used to run the city as Packie claims during that one mission.

when the mc's say they used to run the city they dont mean in the last year or so they mean back in the 1920's and what not and based upon rockstar basing some of new yorks crime history to liberty city they probably meant around that time cause thats when most of the irish gangs started losing control and the italians and jews started taking control so the irish had to start getting more organized cause of the threats which lead to the irish mafia

[lillb]

yea ur probably right but that's not how i interpreted it during that car ride with packie
but i just like the mccreary's so DLC focusing on them would tickle my fancy

[JRussell89]

The possibilities are near endless for where the story could go, or is coming from. Some of the minor characters or random pedestrians Niko encounters could be more central to The Lost's story. Or, one of the other crime families(there's 5 if I remember right) could be explored. Another plot possibility could be that of the elusive Kenny Petrovic. Yet another possibility is that long sought after bridge between the III trilogy and IV. That is if R* wanted to try and mend fences with the sizeable population of fans that wanted just a little more from the previous titles. no matter what, this addition to the story of the new Liberty City looks to be a great adventure and addition to the series.:peace:

[NMae12]

im sure is been noticed but just noting that johnny says hes not in the business of kidnapping, or something similar i forgot. In the mission where you save roman he says that a biker took him there, could mean johnny or could mean another biker after johnny declined. there's another mission where you have bike chase and there's a spare bike next to the other two, i think johnny will be there somewhere

[claud3]

well. We will have to wait and find out what happens

[lillb]

im sure is been noticed but just noting that johnny says hes not in the business of kidnapping, or something similar i forgot. In the mission where you save roman he says that a biker took him there, could mean johnny or could mean another biker after johnny declined. there's another mission where you have bike chase and there's a spare bike next to the other two, i think johnny will be there somewhere

when does johnny say he's not in the business of kidnapping? I just don't remember that part.

[claud3]

i think it is the first mission you do with him. Not sure myself

[lillb]

its been a while since i played and i never counted johnny as that important before this DLC was announced so I don't remember a word he said lol
on another note i think it is good that they are doing a character that wasnt a major part of niko's story
that way the stories won't be too identical but will only overlap in the couple of places that niko and johnny worked together
still wondering tho what they'll do for the next one

[ElephantGuts]

I'm not particularly excited about the DLC being about a bunch of methhead bikers (no offense). Of course I will still get the DLC since it's GTA 4 after all, but considering all of the varied groups that exist and could be explored in LC, I'm least interested in bikers. I know this will never happen, but I would love to have DLC about the Jewish guys and the diamond trade (I'm Jewish so that makes sense why I would love to play as a Jewish guy). That'd be interesting, right? Jews and lots of potential conflict what with blood diamonds and all.

I don't remember any of the bikers from the story, hell I barely remembered what The Lost was. I think I'll start another game and pay special attention to those parts.

[claud3]

while this is all we know about johnny in gta iv. Maybe this is in the D.L.C

Johnny Klebitz is the main protagonist and playable character of Grand Theft Auto IV: The Lost and Damned, the first of two downloadable episodic packs for the game.

Johnny is a 34 year old member of The Lost biker gang and is first met by Niko after they are both entrusted to watch over a heroin deal for Elizabeta and Playboy X. The deal turns out to be an LCPD sting, and Johnny disappears during the ensuing gunfight. He later reappears to assist Niko with a Conflict diamonds deal with Isaac Roth, on behalf of Ray Boccino. The deal is ambushed by members of the Italian Mafia, and Johnny escapes with two million dollars in cash. Niko is later sent to find and eliminate his friends.

Dan Houser describes Johnny to be "a very different character than Niko, with a very different background


while this is all we know about johnny in gta iv. Maybe this is in the D.L.C

But him saying he is not in the business of kidnapping then i say its true

[EMT]

I dont know if Johnny will be better than Niko.. Niko was a really good character... Mean as hell.. XD We will see if Johnny can compare to him.:P

[victim]

when does johnny say he's not in the business of kidnapping? I just don't remember that part.

He says it in TLAD trailer.

[EMT]

He says it in TLAD trailer.
Oh man I didnt catch this.. Do you think the media... or some clown like Jack thompson will make a big deal about all of this?

[lillb]

Oh man I didnt catch this.. Do you think the media... or some clown like Jack thompson will make a big deal about all of this?

wasn't jack thompson disbarred? atleast in florida or something? i really hope thats the end of him cause we don't need any filth like him

[EMT]

wasn't jack thompson disbarred? atleast in florida or something? i really hope thats the end of him cause we don't need any filth like him
I agree man. I lol'd when he said Gta was a murder simulator. lol!!

[leelee862]

still wondering tho what they'll do for the next one

After playing through the game again it does seem pretty obvious that the second episode will revolve around the mafia in one way or another. Luis Fernando Lopez seems like a good candidate to be protagonist next time round as he is involved with one of the lesser involved mob families in Niko's story, the Ancellotti's. Although in Niko's story he didn't have too much dialogue and was put in a couple of sitations that the protagonist wouldn't usually be put in. Like when the bank gets robbed and he's on the floor talking to that guy. Then I got to thinking that this is where they could introduce him because up until this he isn't involved in the story at all whereas afterwards we encounter him another two times. As he shoots up the diamond deal and again at the Gracie/diamond trade with Gay Tony. Playing as Luis could also explain why Bulgarin shows up a second time. We know why we encountered him the first time. Dimitri is in contact with Bulgarin and screws you over to get in with him. So again, we wouldn't really need to play as Luis up until after the bank robbery.

I always thought to myself "why the hell is Luis in the bank anyway?". Maybe he was there to rob the place too?!

Ooo, my second 100th post.

[claud3]

well the mafia are in gta iv. But there very own D.L.C. if so. what would the be story for them be

[leelee862]

well the mafia are in gta iv. But there very own D.L.C. if so. what would the be story for them be

Who knows. But, we've still got like 2 out of the 5 families to explore. The Messina's and the Lupisella's. And we still don't even know that much about the Ancellotti's and next to nothing about the Pavano's. Although I have a feeling the Ancellotti's will be explored more in Johnny's story. And then there's Bulgarin. How did he find out about the Gracie/diamond trade. He could be working with the Mafia. And what's gonna come of him and Niko? Surely he isn't just going to drop it. Since we're going to be seeing Johnny's story soon that just leaves the last few Mafia families and Bulgarin. They'll be the only loose ends left in the story that I can think of.

[claud3]

it might be just the BIKERS in one D.L.C and the MAFIA in another. But after them it might be different D.L.C's that don't have any connection to any of the other families

[leelee862]

it might be just the BIKERS in one D.L.C and the MAFIA in another. But after them it might be different D.L.C's that don't have any connection to any of the other families

Well if TLAD crosses over into Niko's story then chances are we WILL be seeing atleast one of the mob families. Seeing as Johnny and The Lost clearly have ties with The Ancelotti's during Niko's story then my bets are on them definitely making an appearence, even if it's just briefly.

Now I may just be misreading, but are you just trying to be awkward?

[claud3]

no you did not missread. All i am saying is that i just see the BIKERS in one D.L.C and the MAFIA in another. After that i see a totally new D.L.C that does not have any of the other families in them

But if there is a cross over with the familes then i am totally wrong

[leelee862]

no you did not missread. All i am saying is that i just see the BIKERS in one D.L.C and the MAFIA in another. After that i see a totally new D.L.C that does not have any of the other families in them

But if there is a cross over with the familes then i am totally wrong

I understand that. That's just your opinion. There's no point in getting heated about it. We're merely speculating. I could be right, I could be wrong. You could be right, you could be wrong. Only Rockstar know what they've got planned for us.

I only see the mafia being involved in TLAD due to the fact that a whole story based solely around the 2 biker gangs and no other characters just doesn't seem like Rockstars style. It isn't the direction that they've taken GTA IV. They involved certain characters with certain other characters so that we can explore their relationships more in these episodes. The whole diamond story for example. We know that the Pegorino's and the Ancelotti's are at war. We know that Johnny is definitely involved with the Ancelotti's in one way or another. We know that Johnny screws Ray Boccino over, who is part of the Pegorino mob. Luis, who shoots up the diamond deal with the Jewish Mafia is Gay Tony's personal bodyguard and Gay Tony, as we know is also involved with the Ancelotti's. So seeing as we're actually controlling Johnny, that leads me to believe that we're going to be exploring that part of the story a bit more at some point. They used Johnny in such a way in Niko's story for a reason. And on top of that, we don't know what happens to Johnny afterwards do we? Did Ray Boccino have him killed? Did he get away? We don't know yet. We don't know for a reason. So we could even be seeing more of the Pegorino's.

Nobody knows yet. I'm merely speculating :)

[claud3]

your right. But all we have to do is just wait and see iguess

[leelee862]

your right. But all we have to do is just wait and see iguess

Yup. Waiting is the hardest part :(

[claud3]

sure is. But since the D.L.C is all we are talking about. So we start in the third island and work are way back to the first island. Its like VCS where we started in the second island

[lillb]

who's to say they even lock all the islands from the start of this one? u never know

[claud3]

well that is possible. I don't think they will break a habbit of a life time.

[lillb]

yea well they never did a DLC before and nearly everyone who's gonna download it will have unlocked all islands before anyways

[Olin]

If the story begins at roughly the time of the first mission featuring Johnny in Niko's story, then chances are they'll be blocked off. Otherwise, I can at least expect the bridges to Alderney to be blockaded.

It wouldn't make sense if Johnny was able to cross bridges at the same time that Niko couldn't.

[victim]

Niko was unable to cross the bridges because he was an illegal immigrant without a visa. Johnny should be fine, shouldn't he?

[claud3]

well he should be able. But with all gta games they are blocked of thought so i think not. Here what kind of cameo will niko play in the D.L.C. We know its a small cameo but what can he add to story

[Jaytow]

Niko was unable to cross the bridges because he was an illegal immigrant without a visa. Johnny should be fine, shouldn't he?

Well, I personally doubt it. Maybe he is on probation and they don't want him to leave alderny, who knows?
and about the Niko cameo.. Unless you see him at the end then he will just be in the parts that Johnny is in on Nikos story but there is always a chance you could see him at the end.

[Др.хуй]

You been under a rock, or what?

Course i have.
I dont read shit about lost and damned. Tbh i dont want to, Cuz i found out too much shit about GTAIV and then when i got it i didnt get all that i expected.

So lost and the damned will be full of surprises for me :D

[lillb]

it probably depends where he starts and when the game starts

[claud3]

so. Since we know fair bit now. What types of new cars will be in the D.L.C.

[lillb]

lol claud3 ur always pushing the conversation u never let it die lol

but obviously new bikes and read somewhere that the cheetah was making a comeback

[Olin]

Niko was unable to cross the bridges because he was an illegal immigrant without a visa. Johnny should be fine, shouldn't he?That doesn't make sense. They were keeping all traffic from the bridges due to terrorist threat, not just for people like Niko.

[lillb]

that's tru that's what the radio always said
so like i said it all depends on when johnny's story starts

[Ash_735]

Most likely the same thing, the undertones in GTA IV is that America is Paranoid. It would be easy to just use the same joke, the bridges are closed off again because they got paranoid about a terrorist attack and wanted to close off each area again. Rockstar have done this before with VCS, just used the weather as a warning to close off the bridges again. What I'm hoping for however is for a big mission actually giving us a reason to get across the bridge, not many GTA Games have done that in an action way apart from the Stories Games (LCS: Toni and Sal being set up by the police, forcing you to drive over the construction site on the bridge and use the ramp to get into Staunton Island and VCS: Vic and Lance busting the huge drug deal, stealing the coke and breaking through the bridge whilst being chased by Martinez in a Hunter).

[John The Con]

Yes because I always lie about stuff, that's why I'm a News Poster on this website :P All of what I said has been confirmed by Rockstar, The reason I say "but" and "Unknown" is because we do not know what the new things are, we just know they will be new. :)
Of course, but for example you cant say there will be more then just a few guns without any facts to back it up.

[Ash_735]

Of course, but for example you cant say there will be more then just a few guns without any facts to back it up.

Ok, once again I'll say this, It's been confirmed by Rockstar, we just just know the scope of it. Do you really think Rockstar are just going to add One Gun, One Bike and that's it? Since that comment we've seen the trailer which has so far shown off three new guns, a new type of bike along with a few other things.

[Stu]

I'm a PS3 user, so won't get to play this, but it does look cool. Only thing I have a problem with in it though is...bikes. I...really, really hated the later mission where you have to chase the bikers down on a chopper, through the subway. The handling on the things was pretty unforgiving, so a whole sub-plot where you have to control them would probably be very frustrating. Especially if it's as rainy as the trailers make it out to be.
As to further DLCs, if you remember, when you hang out with Little Jacob, he talks about Badman becoming paranoid and becoming overly violent, and being afraid that he'll turn on LJ at some point. So maybe we'll explore that. Niko can still appear in DLCs, since there was enough similarities between the two endings of the game that he can be of a similar disposition when appearing after those events. I dunno why we seem to be ruling out Niko starring in any chapters.
I wonder if the new music will be spread across the radio stations, or will it be all heavy rock/metal stuff to keep with the biker theme?

[claud3]

well in this D.L.C you wont be limited to just bikes at all. And for L.J and DEADMAN i think both of them are really Paranoid. So them having a D.L.C maybe.

[Stu]

well in this D.L.C you wont be limited to just bikes at all.
Probably, but I bet many of the missions that involve driving/chasing/racing will put you on a bike, because that's the story and where your character is rooted.

[claud3]

Maybe so but you will have the option in some of them missions to use a car. If your bike gets destroyed

[Stu]

Just thought too, what if you can go dating with this, and being a different character makes him compatible on the lovematch site with the women that that Niko wasn't(and hence couldn't date)?

[claud3]

well the dating wont be in it. I feel it will not fit in since johnny is a tough dude and he has alot of people to kill on his quest for complete freedom from them. That dating is the least of his worries

[leelee862]

Plus, johnny already has a woman. Or an 'old lady' as the bikers seem to put it.

Thirty missions doesn't seem long enough to consist of a long enough storyline to be faffing around with the internet anyhoo. Although, we can't really rule ANYTHING out just yet because we still know so little about the DLC. That said, I wonder if Johnny will be able to use all the facilities that Niko can currently use like the internet. If so, I wonder if there'll be anything different on the internet. I would like to finally put the internet to better use. There's a SHED LOAD of promise to freeroaming in this game. There's all those unused facilities like the big sports centre in Algonquin (I forget the name of it). I just hope on top of the new storyline, weapons, vehicles etc etc..they also fill in all free roaming gaps.

And as Stu said, we do seem to be forgetting a bout Niko. The guy does get around an awful lot so who knows how big his role could be in the upcoming DLC's.

[John The Con]

Ok, once again I'll say this, It's been confirmed by Rockstar, we just just know the scope of it. Do you really think Rockstar are just going to add One Gun, One Bike and that's it? Since that comment we've seen the trailer which has so far shown off three new guns, a new type of bike along with a few other things.
Three guns are not more then a few guns IT IS a few guns. And you dont provide sources, the only indication we have is that its only three guns not more then a few guns.

[Ash_735]

Three guns are not more then a few guns IT IS a few guns. And you dont provide sources, the only indication we have is that its only three guns not more then a few guns.

Let me introduce myself, Hi, I'm Ash, I've been at this website for around 4 years and around 90% of information I take a stab at does get confirmed sooner or later. You're a new person here so yeah, you might not wanna trust me right away but I can assure you I do not bullshit for fun. For example, the leaked GameSpot article which apparently confirms a load of things that will be in TLAD (even names a few extra weapons), I could use that to prove my point, but do I, No, because I don't trust the article or source and need a stronger link. I can see it from your point of view though, you come to a website and some guy is saying this and that is going to be in the game without providing sources does seem a bit like a bullshitter but I will admit, in early stages I take rough safe guesses and use that as a base until things get confirmed. I've been at this website for over 4 years, I've been apart of the news staff for roughly a year. So believe me or not but I don't go around spreading crap and most things I claim, which when I do guess, are SAFE guesses, do happen. :)

Just for you though, I will try and state the sources but I'll have to include the "leaked" article thing to back me up even though I on't trust it at the moment.

I said More Weapons, more than a few, I consider a few around 4-5, in the trailer we have 3 new guns, 1 handgun and 2 types of shotgun. The "leaked" article claims that Johnny will also be carrying his own pocket knife and that other knives will be available along with more other styles of weapons. If we take them (IF they are true) and add them to the 3 we already have confirmed, then there you go, More than a Few.

I said most new songs on Radio Stations. The article says Two New Radio Stations, so that would contradict me, why did I guess that? Well I worked on the Radio Station Guide for the forums for quite a few months before GTA IV was released, which I had to search out tracks confirmed for GTA4 and note down other tracks that Rockstar got rights to use (that also fit in with GTA IV), there is a handfull of these songs left over that fit on already placed Radio Stations which is why I assumed they would be used in the DLC as added songs on the Radio along with more tracks they got specially for The Lost and Damned.

I hope that is enough for you to at least see that I am not some regular bullshitter type poster who shouts "MY Uncles Mate Works At R* So I Know!" because I'm not. :)

[lillb]

Most likely the same thing, the undertones in GTA IV is that America is Paranoid. It would be easy to just use the same joke, the bridges are closed off again because they got paranoid about a terrorist attack and wanted to close off each area again. Rockstar have done this before with VCS, just used the weather as a warning to close off the bridges again. What I'm hoping for however is for a big mission actually giving us a reason to get across the bridge, not many GTA Games have done that in an action way apart from the Stories Games (LCS: Toni and Sal being set up by the police, forcing you to drive over the construction site on the bridge and use the ramp to get into Staunton Island and VCS: Vic and Lance busting the huge drug deal, stealing the coke and breaking through the bridge whilst being chased by Martinez in a Hunter).

yea i never played the stories games but in every other GTA besides 3 where u took a boat across first u just all of a sudden had a mission where u had to go to the next island and suddenly it wasnt blocked off anymore i always thought it was kinda stupid

[devil chevelle]

After playing through the game again it does seem pretty obvious that the second episode will revolve around the mafia in one way or another. Luis Fernando Lopez seems like a good candidate to be protagonist next time round as he is involved with one of the lesser involved mob families in Niko's story, the Ancellotti's. Although in Niko's story he didn't have too much dialogue and was put in a couple of sitations that the protagonist wouldn't usually be put in. Like when the bank gets robbed and he's on the floor talking to that guy. Then I got to thinking that this is where they could introduce him because up until this he isn't involved in the story at all whereas afterwards we encounter him another two times. As he shoots up the diamond deal and again at the Gracie/diamond trade with Gay Tony. Playing as Luis could also explain why Bulgarin shows up a second time. We know why we encountered him the first time. Dimitri is in contact with Bulgarin and screws you over to get in with him. So again, we wouldn't really need to play as Luis up until after the bank robbery.

I always thought to myself "why the hell is Luis in the bank anyway?". Maybe he was there to rob the place too?!

Ooo, my second 100th post.
ahhhh i like what u did there good idea my man u got me thinking .it very well could be luis seeing as rockstar got johnny on there and he was in like two cutscenes and luis was in like three or four maybe you play as luis and deal with the ancelottis and deal with the northwood dominican gangsters. but on a personal note i wouldent really like playing as luis i would like to play as maybe a mcreary but i dont think they will go that way cause they covered that family in that game a lot.
o and ya that guy does look like luis a lot but i dont think that was intentional and there voices sounded diffrent to me and luis seemed like he wouldent take shit from anyone judging by the way he acted in all the other cutscenes and on the bank job he seemed like a real wuss

Let me introduce myself, Hi, I'm Ash, I've been at this website for around 4 years and around 90% of information I take a stab at does get confirmed sooner or later. You're a new person here so yeah, you might not wanna trust me right away but I can assure you I do not bullshit for fun. For example, the leaked GameSpot article which apparently confirms a load of things that will be in TLAD (even names a few extra weapons), I could use that to prove my point, but do I, No, because I don't trust the article or source and need a stronger link. I can see it from your point of view though, you come to a website and some guy is saying this and that is going to be in the game without providing sources does seem a bit like a bullshitter but I will admit, in early stages I take rough safe guesses and use that as a base until things get confirmed. I've been at this website for over 4 years, I've been apart of the news staff for roughly a year. So believe me or not but I don't go around spreading crap and most things I claim, which when I do guess, are SAFE guesses, do happen. :)

Just for you though, I will try and state the sources but I'll have to include the "leaked" article thing to back me up even though I on't trust it at the moment.

I said More Weapons, more than a few, I consider a few around 4-5, in the trailer we have 3 new guns, 1 handgun and 2 types of shotgun. The "leaked" article claims that Johnny will also be carrying his own pocket knife and that other knives will be available along with more other styles of weapons. If we take them (IF they are true) and add them to the 3 we already have confirmed, then there you go, More than a Few.

I said most new songs on Radio Stations. The article says Two New Radio Stations, so that would contradict me, why did I guess that? Well I worked on the Radio Station Guide for the forums for quite a few months before GTA IV was released, which I had to search out tracks confirmed for GTA4 and note down other tracks that Rockstar got rights to use (that also fit in with GTA IV), there is a handfull of these songs left over that fit on already placed Radio Stations which is why I assumed they would be used in the DLC as added songs on the Radio along with more tracks they got specially for The Lost and Damned.

I hope that is enough for you to at least see that I am not some regular bullshitter type poster who shouts "MY Uncles Mate Works At R* So I Know!" because I'm not. :)

damn i like what u did there now seeing as your a guy who is good at predicting things im gonna ask you a question based on no facts what do u think they will base the second dlc on im curious to know your decision seeing as i like the information you present and it will help me get to thinking for myself on who they will do it on

[leelee862]

ahhhh i like what u did there good idea my man u got me thinking .it very well could be luis seeing as rockstar got johnny on there and he was in like two cutscenes and luis was in like three or four maybe you play as luis and deal with the ancelottis and deal with the northwood dominican gangsters. but on a personal note i wouldent really like playing as luis i would like to play as maybe a mcreary but i dont think they will go that way cause they covered that family in that game a lot.
o and ya that guy does look like luis a lot but i dont think that was intentional and there voices sounded diffrent to me and luis seemed like he wouldent take shit from anyone judging by the way he acted in all the other cutscenes and on the bank job he seemed like a real wuss

You're right, it does seem a bit out of character for him. Although, it IS Luis in the bank. When the guy with the gun asks him his name he replies with "Luis, but this ain't such a good idea bro". Almost as if they were introducing him to us for a reason. Gave him an identity. Made him known to us. They could've quite easily of not introduced him to us at all and just kept him face down on the floor and had an unknown Dominican dude shoot up the diamond deal and appear as Gay Tony's muscle at the Gracie/diamond exchange.

He's the only other character, apart from Johnny, who I can think of right now who showed up enough times in the main story to have his own story. He shows up at 3 big points of the story, he's involved with the relatively unknown Ancelotti's, the relatively unknown Gay Tony, and the Northwood Dominican gangsters. So who knows..

[Alec_Pusay119]

Didn't Luis have a rather generic character model though? Not one of the highly detailed ones like Johnny?

That alone makes me think he isn't meant to be much more then a generic character. Admittedly, a generic character with more background then your average generic character, but the same none the less.

[devil chevelle]

You're right, it does seem a bit out of character for him. Although, it IS Luis in the bank. When the guy with the gun asks him his name he replies with "Luis, but this ain't such a good idea bro". Almost as if they were introducing him to us for a reason. Gave him an identity. Made him known to us. They could've quite easily of not introduced him to us at all and just kept him face down on the floor and had an unknown Dominican dude shoot up the diamond deal and appear as Gay Tony's muscle at the Gracie/diamond exchange.

He's the only other character, apart from Johnny, who I can think of right now who showed up enough times in the main story to have his own story. He shows up at 3 big points of the story, he's involved with the relatively unknown Ancelotti's, the relatively unknown Gay Tony, and the Northwood Dominican gangsters. So who knows..

damn your right i tried watching videos on it yesterday to see if it was and he clearly does say luis ya dude i can definintely see luis as the next character in dlc after this little discussion we had im making him my number one choice in the next dlc, and i think its about time that we play as hispanic guy i would like to see what rockstar does with that maybe his family will give him trouble cus he is a bodyguard of a white guy maybe he will get messed with buy puerto ricans who dont like dominicans im seeing the options with him turning very well

[leelee862]

damn your right i tried watching videos on it yesterday to see if it was and he clearly does say luis ya dude i can definintely see luis as the next character in dlc after this little discussion we had im making him my number one choice in the next dlc, and i think its about time that we play as hispanic guy i would like to see what rockstar does with that maybe his family will give him trouble cus he is a bodyguard of a white guy maybe he will get messed with buy puerto ricans who dont like dominicans im seeing the options with him turning very well

After playing through the mission 'Diamonds Are A Girls Best Friend' earlier i'm almost certain that Luis is going to be the next protagonist. I was watching the video and paying very close attention to the storyline and it turns out that Luis and Gay Tony actually stole the diamonds off Bulgarin. So there we go, we have the source of the diamonds and an unseen beginning to the whole diamond story. Luis also seems like a man of reason, much like Niko. While Packie & Gay Tony were bickering over the exchange, Luis jumps in and suggests that the trade be a peaceful one by putting the diamonds in the middle then have Gracie walk over to them.

And yes, he does look like a generic character but he isn't. His attire and all round appearence is different to that of a ped i've ever come across. He does look very basic, I agree, but he does look a lot more detailed than any other generic character in the game.

Also, after the mission, if you give Roman a call, Niko goes on to talk about the 'Dominican looking guy'. Asking Roman if him showing up at the botched diamond deal and the diamond exchange is just coincidence. Now I doubt the protagonist would bother ringing his cousin to speak about a generic character. He has a lot of relevance to the story. If the phone call is not a subtle indication that Rockstar have bigger plans for Luis, then I don't know what is.

On a whole, there seems to of been too much work put into the character for him to just be another jobber.

[lillb]

lol i don't have any idea who Luis is
atleast i knew who Johnny was

[Tyler]

I never even really heard of Johnny.
I beat the story twice, but never went back and looked for him.
The only mission i remember with bikers is, the one where you chase down that girl's boyfriend, and kill all those bikers, and the other one where your in the subway shooting those three bikers.
Thats bout it. :D

[}{oT~dEv1L 666]

I never even really heard of Johnny.
I beat the story twice, but never went back and looked for him.
The only mission i remember with bikers is, the one where you chase down that girl's boyfriend, and kill all those bikers, and the other one where your in the subway shooting those three bikers.
Thats bout it. :D

You forgot the mission "Museum Piece", huh? That's when Johnny and Niko go to the diamond deal.

[NMae12]

i was trying to find the source of that article and someone else has it on their site saying it was posted on spike tv before the video, cant find it on the website now though

[claud3]

well lets get back to johnny. What do we know about his fighting style is it just simple punch punch and the odd kick here and there. Or has he got moves. Plus what moves will he have with the KNIFE, BASEBALL BAT and another possible MELEE weapons

[Alec_Pusay119]

I didn't know that Niko talks about him if you call Roman after the mission...hmmm...

He probably will be the character we play as, I hope they are able to give him a good story.

[JC]

Niko Does talk about him. You just gotta listen to the speaking parts

[claud3]

does johnny have a fighting style

[Ash_735]

I'm sure he will, it won't be the same as Niko as Niko learnt Krav Maga in the army, as Brucie puts it "some of that red Army shit". As for Johnny, we don't know what his style could be, I'd like to see a Brawling Fighting Style as it would suit the character and his history.

[claud3]

a brawl style would fit him. But do you think we could learn more

[leelee862]

a brawl style would fit him. But do you think we could learn more

Yeah that's what I suggested. I imagine Johnny grew up on the streets therefore would've adopted a 'street fighter' fighting style. Unless he's also trained in some other form of fighting style then I imagine he will just be a straight up, no shit, street brawler.

As for the Angels Of Death, I remember a couple of people asking where their hideout was so I took the liberty of taking a couple of pics and jotted down the location for those who are interested.

The hideout..
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ STUFF008.jpg

There appears to be a biker bar just across the road. No doubt this bar will play some part in TLAD story.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ STUFF006.jpg

It is located on Ivy Drive West, just off Topaz Street, under the bridge, North Holland, Algonquin.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ STUFF009-1.jpg

[JRussell89]

I don't think there will be too much emphasis on his fighting style. Like Ash said, a simple "brawl" style would be sufficient. I'm guessing here, but I think that there won't be too much that has changed. The only changes that R* has released are some weapons, clothes, vehicles and soundtrack options. This game is essentially an expansion pack for IV. That being said, the story was the thing for IV not what kind of moves you have or melee weapons you can wield. I don't see R* regressing in a way and going back to the SA ability to learn new moves. It wouldn't really fit with where they are apparently trying to steer the series. Overall, it looks really cool and I am now certain to purchase a 360 so that I will have the ability to experience this latest addition to the series.:peace:

[Alec_Pusay119]

It will probably be a brawling style, but I hope that if it is they either make over the top counters or just more brutal counters.

For some reason, I really want to see Johnny grab some guys fist and squeeze it until they drop to their knees, then knee them in the face or something haha.

[Tyler]

You forgot the mission "Museum Piece", huh? That's when Johnny and Niko go to the diamond deal.

How could i forget the mission, i won an achievement for it. :P

Anyways, i dont remember him being in it, i remember making a deal with a old guy and two other dudes, and then someone shooting someone. lol

[JRussell89]

Well, I'm sure that Johnny's version of "Museum Piece" would be very interesting. It maybe will expand the part of the story connecting The Lost to the Mafia in ways we have not thought of yet. Got my 360 and my copy of IV for it. So now all I have to do is wait for the release. Oh yeah, there seemed to be a reluctance of certain factions of Liberty City to do business with the "biker" gangs. Attributed mainly to their unpredictable and unconventional tactics. I remember Playboy X saying something about them. Anyways, the main thread will probably explore that reputation and how it had been achieved by the time the events of Niko's story occurred.

[Tyler]

Damn, i guess i really need to play the story over again. lol

[}{oT~dEv1L 666]

Anyway, I was thinking of this line before the trailer ended: "It's a prosperity to be damned, my brother". (At least I thought it sounded like that...)

[REMOVED]

Ignore what I said, never mind.

[Alec_Pusay119]

I thought the line was "Peace and prosperity be damned, my brother."

[Stu]

Weapon that would suit the bikers a lot would be a chain wrapped around their fists, like a low budget stand in for the brass knuckles. Can't think of too many multiplayer modes to fit around them that aren't just derivatives of the already existing ones. Like one I thought of was "Racing Bitch", a variant on GTA racing on bikes, but involving teams of two. One person handles the racing, the other person is "riding bitch" and handles shooting.

[}{oT~dEv1L 666]

I thought the line was "Peace and prosperity be damned, my brother."

I'm not sure, you might be right about that. I'm not good at listening in on lines...

[devil chevelle]

I'm sure he will, it won't be the same as Niko as Niko learnt Krav Maga in the army, as Brucie puts it "some of that red Army shit". As for Johnny, we don't know what his style could be, I'd like to see a Brawling Fighting Style as it would suit the character and his history.

how is krav maga some of that red army shit krav maga is a israeli fighting style and the only other country outside of the isreal to really take an interest in it is chezeslovakia or however u spell it i think the reason brucie said that is cus for one niko is eastern european and two most of the time he talks out of his ass or hes to excited to think of what he is saying

o and does anynone know the pistol johnny was carrying in the trailer

[JRussell89]

how is krav maga some of that red army shit krav maga is a israeli fighting style and the only other country outside of the isreal to really take an interest in it is chezeslovakia or however u spell it i think the reason brucie said that is cus for one niko is eastern european and two most of the time he talks out of his ass or hes to excited to think of what he is saying

o and does anynone know the pistol johnny was carrying in the trailer


Brucie was/is portrayed as an ignorant steroid freak. that's why he made the "Red Army shit" comment. The pistol that Johnny is carrying looks like a modified .45 cal. pistol. The barrel tip looks to be modified so that a silencer can be attached. Back on topic, I was wondering if friend activities will be modified. I was just thinking that, as a gang, The Lost would be more likely to do things in a larger group. So, instead of going to a bar with just one friend you go with like 3 or 4 other "brothers". In reality, I know that this probably won't be included. It would be cool though.:peace:

[leelee862]

how is krav maga some of that red army shit krav maga is a israeli fighting style and the only other country outside of the isreal to really take an interest in it is chezeslovakia or however u spell it i think the reason brucie said that is cus for one niko is eastern european and two most of the time he talks out of his ass or hes to excited to think of what he is saying

o and does anynone know the pistol johnny was carrying in the trailer

He's just stereotyping Niko by insinuating that because he's from Eastern Europe then he must be a Communist. I'm suprised Niko didn't break his jaw. Unless Niko is a Communist?

[claud3]

ok in a news bulliten in the game. It says the LOST BIKERS are in conflict with another biker ganeg. I forgot there name but this might be what the story is all about.

I might be wrong and someone might have posted this already

[Stu]

As for the Angels Of Death, I remember a couple of people asking where their hideout was so I took the liberty of taking a couple of pics and jotted down the location for those who are interested.

The hideout..
I believe that directly across the water from that place, in Alderny is a ramp next to the water. Not an official Insane Jump, but one that you can actually use to get across the river to Algonquin if you hit it fast enough. Wonder if that was done intentionally, to play into a mission?

[leelee862]

I believe that directly across the water from that place, in Alderny is a ramp next to the water. Not an official Insane Jump, but one that you can actually use to get across the river to Algonquin if you hit it fast enough. Wonder if that was done intentionally, to play into a mission?

Quite possibly. If it's the ramp that I'm thinking of then, if you do it correctly and make it all the way across, you land right next to the Angels Of Deaths safehouse.

[Stu]

Yeah, it's too precise for it to be something you're required to get perfect, I reckon. Maybe you have to hit the ramp at a certain speed, and a cutscene kicks in of whatever happens.

[JRussell89]

Does anyone know where the Lost's hangout/hideout is located? Also, I was wondering about what new multiplayer games that R* may have come up with.

[leelee862]

Does anyone know where the Lost's hangout/hideout is located? Also, I was wondering about what new multiplayer games that R* may have come up with.

Search this thread dude. I posted the location and a couple of pics somewhere..

Might've been this thread. I'm not sure.

[claud3]

Yeah that's what I suggested. I imagine Johnny grew up on the streets therefore would've adopted a 'street fighter' fighting style. Unless he's also trained in some other form of fighting style then I imagine he will just be a straight up, no shit, street brawler.
As for the Angels Of Death, I remember a couple of people asking where their hideout was so I took the liberty of taking a couple of pics and jotted down the location for those who are interested.
The hideout.
.http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ STUFF008.jpg
There appears to be a biker bar just across the road. No doubt this bar will play some part in TLAD story.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ STUFF006.jpg
It is located on Ivy Drive West, just off Topaz Street, under the bridge, North Holland, Algonquin.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ STUFF009-1.jpg

This is what you are looking. This is LEELEE862 post on page 7

[Stu]

JRussell89 was actually asking for the Lost's hideout, not the Angel of Deaths'.

[leelee862]

I believe it's somewhere around where you take out those guys for Ivan in his stranger mission. Or is the Angels Of Deaths place i'm thinking of?

EDIT:
Yeah I was right. It's actually right next to where you kill those guys for Ivan. It's located on Berner's Road, Acter. I definitely think we'll be using this place because it's pretty big. There's like a main bit, another building round the corner and a back alley connecting the 2. I took a couple of pics. One of one of the buildings and another of where it is on the map so you can go check it out yourself :). Sorry, both pics are kinda crap.

Oh crap, the images are huge. How do I make them smaller? Mods, feel free to delete them if they're too big.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ DSCN0556.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb69/leelee862/ DSCN0557.jpg

Here's the correct quote :)

[claud3]

sorry my babd. I saw this on page 7 and assumed it was right.


On Topic:

It is not that hard to find anyway. Just drive to the last island and drive to were you kill eddie low and its just around in the other street

[leelee862]

sorry my babd. I saw this on page 7 and assumed it was right.


On Topic:

It is not that hard to find anyway. Just drive to the last island and drive to were you kill eddie low and its just around in the other street

Or, just drive to where you killed those guys for Ivan and you're in the alleyway right next to the place :)

[claud3]

yep. So after all that it is pretty simple to find then. :)

[JRussell89]

You know, I have been playing through again just to see what is mentioned of the Lost. Well, after the one mission in particular where you save Roman from Dimitri's guys you receive a text from Roman thanking you. He also goes on to say that he thought he had played his last hand when some BIKER guy kidnaps him for the Russians. I do believe that could be our friend Johnny or his friends at work. Pretty cool though.:)

[claud3]

also Playboy x mentions Johnny and his gang and the other gang that johnny is fighting

[Stu]

Remember the mission for Gerry where you have to pose as an albanian biker? Wonder if this is connected to the Lost. Gerry says he can't get his hands dirty because he's being watched, so maybe he hires Johnny to kill said guy?

[claud3]

there is so much in gta iv during the missions and the radio via the news, That we can piece together the D.L.C story

[Stu]

Yeah, I replayed the "No Way On The Subway" mission today, and when Niko phone's Ray afterwards and asks about Johnny, Ray says "Don't worry, the others should be taking care of him", so we can expect a mission where the Mob attacks Johnny. Something I've been wondering about the story is, if Jason was part of the Lost, wouldn't Niko have become their enemy the moment he killed Jason? But they go on to work alongside him twice. Did they not know it was him? Did they not care? Did they think Niko was worth keeping alive for some reason(the Diamonds they stole originally were Bulgarin's, and they might think Niko would be useful for distracting Bulgarin from finding them)?

[Jaytow]

Yeah, I replayed the "No Way On The Subway" mission today, and when Niko phone's Ray afterwards and asks about Johnny, Ray says "Don't worry, the others should be taking care of him", so we can expect a mission where the Mob attacks Johnny. Something I've been wondering about the story is, if Jason was part of the Lost, wouldn't Niko have become their enemy the moment he killed Jason? But they go on to work alongside him twice. Did they not know it was him? Did they not care? Did they think Niko was worth keeping alive for some reason(the Diamonds they stole originally were Bulgarin's, and they might think Niko would be useful for distracting Bulgarin from finding them)?

Johnny sets Niko up. In one mission one of the bikers says uhoh there's the guy that johnny ripped off or something like that. So Johnny plays NIko, also they may not know who killed Jason.

[Stu]

I'm not sure the "set up" was planned though, since the opportunity only came up because of Luis' interference.

[JRussell89]

Well, I was just messing around in Liberty City looking for The Lost and their headquarters. Here's what I found; At the location in Alderney where The Lost's headquarters is located, I actually saw Lost gang members walking around and driving by on motorcycles! I picked a fight with one on foot and when I defeated him he dropped a bunch of cash. Pretty cool huh? Well, I got greedy and started up a fight with another and then I had like three gang members jumping me! Not cool. I tried this on my PS3 as well and they were there too! I didn't know if anyone else had happened across this information.

[claud3]

Never knew that dude thanks. +rep

So if the gangs are at war with each other, Why don't we see it. In all the other gta games if two gangs were at war we would see it in this gta there are more talking about than actually fighting each other

[JRussell89]

I'm not sure why that is. I've searched near the Angels of Death HQ but I haven't seen any members around:confused:. I'll keep looking around though.:)

[leelee862]

People keep reporting sightings of Lost gang members hanging around The Lost headquarters but I've yet to see any :(

[Ash_735]

I wouldn't really say it's important, they spawn as any other gang gang, it's like going to the homebrew cafe and then going on a forum saying you've found Jamaican gang members there :P

The Lost, Angels of Death and even just freelance bikers can be found all over the city already. People just didn't notice them because when playing GTA IV, they don't notice what isn't pointed out to them, the only people who do see these things are people who go around GTA IV actually looking for interesting stuff.

[Jaytow]

I'm not sure the "set up" was planned though, since the opportunity only came up because of Luis' interference.

Well if you listen to the dialouge it clearly implies that it was a setup and an intentional one at that.

[claud3]

the gta series has always had that gang atmosphere of you would die if you got caught up in a gang war. So its one of the only thing i wish was in the game

[OMFGitsJoey]

People keep reporting sightings of Lost gang members hanging around The Lost headquarters but I've yet to see any :(

If you saw the trailer, you might remember Jim saying to Johnny "We gotta go steal some bikes man!". This piece of dialogue takes place at the bottom of an apartment block in Alderney. Its location is found by heading west up Berners Rd from the Lost HQ then left down Aspdin Dr. It`s the first Large apt. block on you right. Two Lost members always spawn there, and sometimes two others spawn nearby. I`ve taken Niko there a few times and it`s nearly always two different members (slim or heavy set)

The weapons they carry are dependent on what you pull out (you pull a knife, they pull a knife etc.). The spawning ground (if that`s the right term) for Lost bikers is from that point northwards to Cockerell Ave then back down Vitullo Ave.

I`ve been currently trying to jack cars around this area that have a Lost member as a passanger, but haven`t had any luck so far. The purpose of this is so I can take him on a non-stop drive to the Angels of Death spawning ground and drop him off to see what happens.

The AoD spawning ground is found in the city block that goes from the Burger Shot in Beechwood City down the Broker-Dukes Expressway to the Homebrew Cafe then along Tutelo Ave to the stunt jump. Some of the AoD carry big Crocodile Dundee knives around their waists. The dialogue of the NPCs in both cases is quite funny, they`re either bitching about the other gang or talking drugs, booze and sex.

I cant wait to find out if you`ll be able to take Johnny to that Burger Shot in the DLC.

[OMFGitsJoey]

I wouldn't really say it's important, they spawn as any other gang gang, it's like going to the homebrew cafe and then going on a forum saying you've found Jamaican gang members there :P

The Lost, Angels of Death and even just freelance bikers can be found all over the city already. People just didn't notice them because when playing GTA IV, they don't notice what isn't pointed out to them, the only people who do see these things are people who go around GTA IV actually looking for interesting stuff.

The Lost spawn in Aldernay, in an area bordered by Aspdin Dr. , Cockerell Ave., Babbage Dr. and Hardtack Ave. BTW that scene in the trailer where Jim says to Johnny "we gotta go steal some bikes man", takes place at the foot of an apt block at the bottom of Aspdin Dr. Two Lost membs always spawn there.
The AoD only spawn in an area bordered by the Burger Shot in Beechwood City, Homebrew Cafe and the stunt jump::D

[OMFGitsJoey]

the gta series has always had that gang atmosphere of you would die if you got caught up in a gang war. So its one of the only thing i wish was in the game
help please

[leelee862]

If you saw the trailer, you might remember Jim saying to Johnny "We gotta go steal some bikes man!". This piece of dialogue takes place at the bottom of an apartment block in Alderney. Its location is found by heading west up Berners Rd from the Lost HQ then left down Aspdin Dr. It`s the first Large apt. block on you right. Two Lost members always spawn there, and sometimes two others spawn nearby. I`ve taken Niko there a few times and it`s nearly always two different members (slim or heavy set)

The weapons they carry are dependent on what you pull out (you pull a knife, they pull a knife etc.). The spawning ground (if that`s the right term) for Lost bikers is from that point northwards to Cockerell Ave then back down Vitullo Ave.

I`ve been currently trying to jack cars around this area that have a Lost member as a passanger, but haven`t had any luck so far. The purpose of this is so I can take him on a non-stop drive to the Angels of Death spawning ground and drop him off to see what happens.

The AoD spawning ground is found in the city block that goes from the Burger Shot in Beechwood City down the Broker-Dukes Expressway to the Homebrew Cafe then along Tutelo Ave to the stunt jump. Some of the AoD carry big Crocodile Dundee knives around their waists. The dialogue of the NPCs in both cases is quite funny, they`re either bitching about the other gang or talking drugs, booze and sex.

I cant wait to find out if you`ll be able to take Johnny to that Burger Shot in the DLC.

That's great. Although, I see Lost and AOD members all the time. If you'd read my post again, you'd realise I was only talking about the area around the Lost's HQ. People have reported seeing bikes parked up and members talking etc... I've yet to see that.

[JRussell89]

That's great. Although, I see Lost and AOD members all the time. If you'd read my post again, you'd realise I was only talking about the area around the Lost's HQ. People have reported seeing bikes parked up and members talking etc... I've yet to see that.

You kind of have to hang out there for a while for them to spawn. If that doesn't work just walk around a bit, and that should work. Usually, it will be 3 Lost members talking or I've also seen a Lost member talking to 2 other pedestrians. After a while Lost members will ride by on their black and red Zombies. I hope that helps. :peace:

[OMFGitsJoey]

That's great. Although, I see Lost and AOD members all the time. If you'd read my post again, you'd realise I was only talking about the area around the Lost's HQ. People have reported seeing bikes parked up and members talking etc... I've yet to see that.

Sorry I forgot to mention AoD members spawn between Brucies lock-up and his apartment. Near where the Platypus is Docked

[claud3]

yep. But they are more common down at Burgershot just down from the bar you drop jacob of at

[JRussell89]

I wa s playing through the story mission for Ray Boccino, the one called Taking in the Trash.
As your driving to pickup the first bag of diamonds Ray's guy tells you that Ray had the Lost steal the diamonds from some powerful and connected club owner and they are taking all the heat for it.
Sounds like a possible mission for Johnny and the boys.:)

[claud3]

you might be right there dude. But has i said before. GTA IV has alot in it for us to find out what the D.L.C sotry might be

[OMFGitsJoey]

I wa s playing through the story mission for Ray Boccino, the one called Taking in the Trash.
As your driving to pickup the first bag of diamonds Ray's guy tells you that Ray had the Lost steal the diamonds from some powerful and connected club owner and they are taking all the heat for it.
Sounds like a possible mission for Johnny and the boys.:)

That could be why they (The Lost) are in a gun battle with a stretch limo in the trailer. you get limos at night clubs

here`s a brain teaser to while away some hours `til the DLC is released. sorry I cant give a prize. you just have to post a reply saying which building Johnny and The Lost are walking into in this screenshot.

http://mattyblog.cookynet.com/gta4/dlc/screenshots/ 006.jpg

good luck!

[Stu]

I bet the election battle between Michael Graves and John Hunter will factor into the DLC storyline, though I don't think for Lost and the Damned. The campaign gets mentioned a lot on the radio and even has a political broadcast on the tv in the main game, and I think both guys' names are in the LCPD database.

[CB]

Hi guys, it's been a while, I hope we all had a great Christmas and New Year.

But anyways, down top business. As like most of you, I'm super excited about The Lost and Damned DLC. But a few Q's prod my mind; any confirmation on cost and I've heard the story ties in with the GTA IV story, so I assume we will run into Niko & Co? But what happens when you complete the L&D story, do you just continue as Niko or what? I'm so confused.

Also, any news on extras like vehicles or weapons?

Many Thanks, your friendly neighbourhood Chandler :)

[Ash_735]

Mr Bing! Good to have you back buddy! I'll try and answer most of those for ya:

Cost: It's being sold for $20 in America, with current Xbox Points value, that's around 1600 Microsoft Points.
Story: You play as Johnny, the game will have an option of which story you want to start, this may be via Dashboard or an in-game menu, but safe to assume when the story is over we can just free roam as Johnny.
Extras: A good few new bikes have been confirmed (9 of them), possibly a few cars, up to now we've seen two new types of Shotgun and one new type of pistol.

[GtaIVAddict]

sucks that i have to get the 3000 point card don't have much money.

[Ash_735]

3,000 Points Card? Is that the lowest you can get? I don't know, Microsoft sell different value cards in each country, over here we have 2,100 and 4,200 points cards.

[GTASynch]

Cost: It's being sold for $20 in America, with current Xbox Points value, that's around 1600 Microsoft Points.
Story: You play as Johnny, the game will have an option of which story you want to start, this may be via Dashboard or an in-game menu, but safe to assume when the story is over we can just free roam as Johnny.
Extras: A good few new bikes have been confirmed (9 of them), possibly a few cars, up to now we've seen two new types of Shotgun and one new type of pistol.

Nice details Ash. :)

I can't wait, regardless of cost.
Would be cool to free-roam as Johnny afterwards.
No telling how people will address him, as opposed to Niko.

The shotguns look awesome, similar to the mega-cool AA-12.
I'm sure we all want to try out those bikes as well.

[Havok]

Finally! A Jewish main character!

[Stu]

From the new previews:
http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gtaiv/dlc/screensh ots/047.jpg
That looks like the warehouse from the mission you play if you choose DEAL instead of REVENGE.
EDIT: My bad. That actually looks like the place from Charge Island where you and Phill Bell go for the mission "Catch The Wave"

[devil chevelle]

Finally! A Jewish main character!

i had a feeling he was jewish ever since my first play through and i saw the name klebbitz.but you never know they could just be calling him johnny the jew because it rhymes and there bikers and they give each other nicknames kind of like the old ladys of the gang there not old at all but they call them that cus there the gfs of the bikers. but i still think he is jewsish none the less.

also if you see the new site updates the clips are pretty cool billy looks like he has no remorse when he hits that guy in the head. also malc maybe a black biker gang? maybe they are a gta version of the soul brothers but i dought it they ride harleys and arent nearly as big as the other gangs but still are considered a omc or maybe he is just a black gangster who likes to ride those type of bikes and johnny works with him.

[lillb]

3,000 Points Card? Is that the lowest you can get? I don't know, Microsoft sell different value cards in each country, over here we have 2,100 and 4,200 points cards.

here they sell 1600 and 4000 point cards (maybe 2400 too)
i have a 1600 point card and a 400 point card that came in the xbox live starter set but i'll be using those for the fallout DLC coming next week and in feb and march
i'll prob get this game from gamestop since it will be the same price but with a poster included.

[devil chevelle]

ya i used to use my debit online but now i buy the cards since i get discounts on them. pretty good deals but doesent europe get more points in a card then the u.s.

[lillb]

well euros are worth more than dollars right now
so i would think their cards are like 20 euros and 50 euros and the microsoft point values would be larger seeing as their money is worth more

[Stu]

also if you see the new site updates the clips are pretty cool billy looks like he has no remorse when he hits that guy in the head. also malc maybe a black biker gang? maybe they are a gta version of the soul brothers but i dought it they ride harleys and arent nearly as big as the other gangs but still are considered a omc or maybe he is just a black gangster who likes to ride those type of bikes and johnny works with him.
I reckon he's just an illegal street racer, judging from his type of bike, and you only really see him with sorta gang once, with him walking with two guys behind him. Maybe he's also technically a Gang member, but the racing is what defines him more, like Cesar in San Andreas.
Was anyone else confused about the mark on Billy's head? I thought at first it could either be a tatoo, or a scar, like he's survived being shot in the head, but I just say the pic in HD of it, and it looks like a skull tattoo, which...just looks daft to me.

[Jaytow]

I would love a mitch baker cameo, although he'd be like 65.

To be honest I think that malc will be in the biker gang, it seems that.. well atleast from what I've read and seen so far that the gang has many different races in it, is this realistic? I'm not well educated on biker gangs.

[lillb]

Some biker gangs are racist.
According to Wikipedia The Hell's Angels are closed to African Americans and Hispanics
But there are others such as the Mongols which i believe allow African Americans and Hispanics to join them
So the Lost must be more like the latter, maybe the Angels of Death (their rival) will be more like Hells Angels and be racist

[phreak]

Some biker gangs are racist.
According to Wikipedia The Hell's Angels are closed to African Americans and Hispanics
But there are others such as the Mongols which i believe allow African Americans and Hispanics to join them
So the Lost must be more like the latter, maybe the Angels of Death (their rival) will be more like Hells Angels and be racist

When you're riding with Playboy he mentions the "Death Angles" and says "...they're racist as shit, though".